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Old 02-10-2003, 12:39 PM   #1
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Default How does Communism create new factories?

Any communists want to answer this one? I don't see that there's any incentive to do this nor any capital to do it with.
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Communism doesn't create anything. It is an ideology that we believe in and it is the people that will create new factories.

The incentive is that if this group of people in this town need jobs than open up factories there. Simple
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Communism doesn't create anything. It is an ideology that we believe in and it is the people that will create new factories.

The incentive is that if this group of people in this town need jobs than open up factories there. Simple
Where do they get the money to open the factory?
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I would assume they build them.

(aerion, you should keep in mind that different economies function differently. "Pure communism" for instance would not use money, much less in the sense capitalism uses it)
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Why would we need money? Who would we be buying it from when we all would own them already?
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Ah but no one country has all the raw materials that it needs. It must trade capital to survive.
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aerion, you should keep in mind that different economies function differently. "Pure communism" for instance would not use money, much less in the sense capitalism uses it
Sorry, but I don't buy that. Any economic system will need some basis for exchange of goods - i.e. money or currency.

To build a factory, you must first acquire the materials and those materials would be much more than the community could possibly acquire in a reasonable amount of time. It would HAVE to rely on other people/communities/businessess/institutions to get the additional materials. Materials would also require transportation. Then raw materials must be acquired and transported. All of this would require some sort of compensation.
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Ah but no one country has all the raw materials that it needs. It must trade capital to survive.
Pretty much why communistic utopias in the US have all failed.

Also happens to be the same reason the prohibition failed. No else was doing it.

I think communism gets a weird distinction as being a model that can just be put in place. Communism is the eventually evolution of economic policies. Its inevitable, but it requires a certain and distinct human characteristic for it to "thrive". Right now and in the near future, such a goal is just unattainable.
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Then you are referring to a place like the Soviet Union or Cuba, which was never allowed to get past the Socialist stage because of the Reactionary invasions and millitary aggression of the U.S. Being a socialist stage, or as Marx called the transitionary stage, Capital would still exist and classes would still exist, it is just that the proles would be the class in power and they would control capital to benefit their class, the vast majority, workers. This is called the Dictatorship of the Proleteriat, this is established after the dictatorship of the bourgeois is overthrown.
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Its inevitable, but it requires a certain and distinct human characteristic for it to "thrive".
I agree that it may be inevitable (in the sense that, at some point, some version of socialism will be the most reasonable economic structure), but I think it's more technological limitations that prevent this from happening. If the problem of scarcity is essentially overcome, then it'll be a lot closer.
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