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Old 01-03-2003, 08:22 PM   #21
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[B] I can imagine self aware beings evolving without religion, but I cannot imagine self aware beings ariseing without science./B]
Yes, I do agree. However, with an objective approach Lewis' work can be found as wonderful example of what Christianity should be. Even if you don't agree with the religious over-tones.

Suggestion, view it as a philosophy contrary to your own. Then you should be able to finish it.
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Yes, I do agree. However, with an objective approach Lewis' work can be found as wonderful example of what Christianity should be. Even if you don't agree with the religious over-tones.

Suggestion, view it as a philosophy contrary to your own. Then you should be able to finish it.
Agreed. Don't treat it so much as a reason to convert as a summary of what almost all Christians will agree on. It's a good backdrop to have in mind when people start putting "True Christian" brands in the fire.
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I read Chronicles of Narnia...love the stories...except for the ending where all of the protagonist, except one, died in a train accident. (What a way to end a story!)

Screwtape Letters is also a nice story. Read it, even if you're an atheist, we can all learn a little from C.S.
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All of the theologically conservative books that Lewis wrote were written early in his life.
I am about halfway through "Surprised By Joy: The Shape of My Early Life,", which I believe he wrote in his 50's. So far, he seems to be building the argument that "Joy" as he describes it -- painfully sweet because it requires unfulfilled desire -- is what turned him to religion, and maybe religion is supposed to be the best source of it. (I don't know yet, only halfway through). No arguments that resonate with me, but interesting to read.

The nice thing about Lewis is that he is, although long-winded, fun to read if you're into dense and artful prose.

My (very unorthodox Catholic) dad gave me "Surprised By Joy," "Mere Christianity," and "The Screwtape Letters" a few months ago. I plan to work my way through them slowly. Why? Because I really wonder what motivates individuals to accept dogma.

My (very orthodox, but Roman) Catholic mother-in-law tries to get me to read a lot of (modern, and I assume approved by the Vatican) Catholic crap, and while I love to read, I just hate bad writing, so the arguments are mute -- I can't even make myself read them.
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Yes, our definition of science is the thing. Assuming that mankind did evolve from the ape family, which I think is nearly beyond dispute at this point, what form did our differentiation first take? There are many things that can be pointed to but do we know the chronology? Fire, agriculture, domestication of animals, in what order do you think they occurred? I think man probably used naturally occurring fire for a long time before he learned to start it himself. Somewhere along the trail he learned that a pointed stick subjected to a certain amount of fire yielded a harder point than otherwise. I think the dog was probably the first domesticated animal. Agriculture I think came later. But I don't know.

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I finished Mere Christianity yesterday. Maybe I'll post some comments on it later. I underlined a bunch of passages that I should re-read before commenting.

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So much for C.S.Lewis.

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<<But now it's too late, and Lewis and most of the other legendary writers of xian "apologetics" are rotting in the cold, dark graves that they thought they would never enter thanks to a mythical Jewish guy who was supposedly nailed to a cross. How pathetic.>>

The trouble is, for every one that dies, two new ones spring up. Have you read Strobels "The Case For Christ"? Strobel had no trouble finding 13 highly educated fundies to tell him exactly what he wanted to hear. He had practically a bottomless pool from which to draw.

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It's funny, you mention him, because one of my accounting professors cried at the end of the semester and was giving this book away for free in case any of us pragmatic accountants had any doubts. I still have yet to read it and that's been one year ago last week!
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