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agapeo · 10-28-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by HelenM:


As a matter of fact, I am having trouble finding time to respond to much on here.

One brief comment on what you said, Perchance - someone 99% certain is convinced enough that I'd expect them to act in accordance with what they are 99% certain of, 100% of the time. I think that's the way humans are. They don't usually act in accordance with something they only think is 1% likely to be true...they go with their own majority vote, as it were.

take care
Helen

I totally agree with you Helen! But I would add that based on observation I've seen people act on far less certainty. Exactly what percentage that might be I have no idea but an entire gambling industry has been built on less certainty than 99% that gamblers would win at the house. The odds are clearly in the house's favor and yet you have those who think they can beat those odds. If they didn't would they play?

Bible Humper · 10-28-2002, 07:53 PM

I feel that the chance that I am a brain in a laboratory being fed stimuli is exponentially higher than the possibility that I am the pet of an omnimax deity who is hiding. Both scenarios have no evidence suggesting that they are true, but at least it can be seen how the brain in a laboratory scenario could be accomplished when they reverse engineer the human brain, learn how to feed the brain stimuli directly rather than through sense organs, etc.

Contrast this with any and all supernatural solipsistic scenarios which suffer from the embarrassing fact that supernaturalism has yet to be discovered despite the fact that there have been trillions of claims by billions of believer which all turned out to be naturalistic after all when the mysteries of the phenomenon in question were at last unraveled.

Supernature has no sound argument. Much less a theistic variant of it. Much less the specific christian version of the theistic variant of it! MUCH LESS any sect's particular ideas regarding the specific christian version of the theistic variant of it!!!

[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper ]

agapeo · 10-28-2002, 08:15 PM

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Supernature has no sound argument. Much less a theistic variant of it. Much less the specific christian version of the theistic variant of it! MUCH LESS any sect's particular ideas regarding the specific christian version of the theistic variant of it!!!

Sounds as if you're 100% certain of it.

Bible Humper · 10-28-2002, 08:25 PM

Sounds as if you're 100% certain of it

Not quite, though I still think that Santa Claus is honestly much more likely than Yahweh.

Let's say for the sake of argument that magic is real, and so both Yahweh and Santa are possible beings.

Santa doesn't suffer from the paradox of omnipotence, the problem of evil, and many more absurdities that are inherent to an omnimax deity.

Santa lacks a holy text allegedly inspired by his omniscient, omnipotent self that is packed to the tits with mistakes, absurdities, etc. as well as numerous stories that have proven to be legend rather than history.

There is no suspicion that Santa's magic stories were "borrowed" from another religion because of a suspicious amount of parallels. Jesus suffers greatly from this regarding Mithras, among others.

The stories of Santa don't contradict his nature, unlike the "loving" Yahweh who orders atrocities.

Nothing in the Santa stories, taken literally or not, contradicts evolution, astronomy, etc.

Santa is far more likely than Yahweh based on what we know of them.

[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper ]

agapeo · 10-28-2002, 08:57 PM

So, just how certain are you that Santa doesn't exist?

Triple Six · 10-28-2002, 11:25 PM

100% sure the Bible is a work of fiction.

With the proviso that you see in the at the end of some movies "any similarity between real events and persons is unintentional"

100% sure that omnipotent god concept and supernatural events are false. That takes out christianity and any other religion. No compromise on this one.

JohnR · 10-29-2002, 12:13 AM

I am 100% sure that 99% of the different forms of Christianty are not true. I don't know what the other 1% is. But I am 99% sure it ain't true neither.

faded_Glory · 10-29-2002, 03:54 AM

There are an infinity of possible explanations for the universe and all that is in it. The chance of any one particular to be true is therefore 1 over infinity, or zero. Ergo, I am 100% sure that Christianity is false. But I am also 100% sure that any other explanation mankind can come up with is false.

fG

agapeo · 10-29-2002, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by faded_Glory:
There are an infinity of possible explanations for the universe and all that is in it. The chance of any one particular to be true is therefore 1 over infinity, or zero. Ergo, I am 100% sure that Christianity is false. But I am also 100% sure that any other explanation mankind can come up with is false.

fG

Excuse me! It's been a while since I was in school but if you have 1 over infinity doesn't that equate to 1 answer out of a possibility of infinity answers being correct, instead of zero?

Amen-Moses · 10-29-2002, 04:28 AM

I am 100% sure that all 100% of christianity isn't true.

I am 50% sure that only 50% of christianity is possibly true.

I am 10% sure that only 10% of christianity is true.

I am 1% sure that only 1% of christianiy is true.

i.e I am 99% sure that 1% of the stuff in the NT is true.

Did that all make sense?

Amen-Moses

10-28-2002, 07:53 PM	#62
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	I feel that the chance that I am a brain in a laboratory being fed stimuli is exponentially higher than the possibility that I am the pet of an omnimax deity who is hiding. Both scenarios have no evidence suggesting that they are true, but at least it can be seen how the brain in a laboratory scenario could be accomplished when they reverse engineer the human brain, learn how to feed the brain stimuli directly rather than through sense organs, etc. Contrast this with any and all supernatural solipsistic scenarios which suffer from the embarrassing fact that supernaturalism has yet to be discovered despite the fact that there have been trillions of claims by billions of believer which all turned out to be naturalistic after all when the mysteries of the phenomenon in question were at last unraveled. Supernature has no sound argument. Much less a theistic variant of it. *Much less* the specific christian version of the theistic variant of it! *MUCH LESS* any sect's particular ideas regarding the specific christian version of the theistic variant of it!!! [ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper ]</p>

10-28-2002, 08:25 PM	#64
Bible Humper Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,125	Sounds as if you're 100% certain of it Not quite, though I still think that Santa Claus is honestly much more likely than Yahweh. Let's say for the sake of argument that magic is real, and so both Yahweh and Santa are possible beings. Santa doesn't suffer from the paradox of omnipotence, the problem of evil, and many more absurdities that are inherent to an omnimax deity. Santa lacks a holy text allegedly inspired by his omniscient, omnipotent self that is packed to the tits with mistakes, absurdities, etc. as well as numerous stories that have proven to be legend rather than history. There is no suspicion that Santa's magic stories were "borrowed" from another religion because of a suspicious amount of parallels. Jesus suffers greatly from this regarding Mithras, among others. The stories of Santa don't contradict his nature, unlike the "loving" Yahweh who orders atrocities. Nothing in the Santa stories, taken literally or not, contradicts evolution, astronomy, etc. Santa is far more likely than Yahweh based on what we know of them. [ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Bible Humper ]</p>

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10-28-2002, 08:57 PM	#65
agapeo Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: OH Posts: 376	So, just how certain are you that Santa doesn't exist?

10-28-2002, 11:25 PM	#66
Triple Six Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: formerly Lae, Papua New Guinea Posts: 1,867	100% sure the Bible is a work of fiction. With the proviso that you see in the at the end of some movies "any similarity between real events and persons is unintentional" 100% sure that omnipotent god concept and supernatural events are false. That takes out christianity and any other religion. No compromise on this one.

10-29-2002, 12:13 AM	#67
JohnR Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Eastern PNW Posts: 572	I am 100% sure that 99% of the different forms of Christianty are not true. I don't know what the other 1% is. But I am 99% sure it ain't true neither.

10-29-2002, 03:54 AM	#68
faded_Glory Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Cairo, Egypt Posts: 1,128	There are an infinity of possible explanations for the universe and all that is in it. The chance of any one particular to be true is therefore 1 over infinity, or zero. Ergo, I am 100% sure that Christianity is false. But I am also 100% sure that any other explanation mankind can come up with is false. fG

10-29-2002, 04:28 AM	#70
Amen-Moses Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Portsmouth, England Posts: 4,652	I am 100% sure that all 100% of christianity isn't true. I am 50% sure that only 50% of christianity is possibly true. I am 10% sure that only 10% of christianity is true. I am 1% sure that only 1% of christianiy is true. i.e I am 99% sure that 1% of the stuff in the NT is true. Did that all make sense? Amen-Moses

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