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Daleth · 06-16-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by tribalbeeyatch
And it isn't even true that brain size has no bearing on intelligence. As a crude measure, an animal's brain mass divided by its body mass is often used to rank the intelligence of different species.

I was going to ask that in my last post, but then there was food, and it was more important.

My rather faded memory was that the size of the brain in relation to the size of the body could be use to estimate intelligence. Thanks for the explanation of that ratio.

Dal

seebs · 06-16-2003, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Eagel4Jesus

I am 18 and haven't taken Phil Logic & Language or any class like it yet.

Well, do. In the mean time, read up on Augustine, whose insights might do you some good.

Eagel4Jesus · 06-16-2003, 06:39 PM

Hmm, I do not know of any such sites because I have not gone around looking for them. But are there any studies or theories on the effect that a worldwide flood would have on geological columns and the sort? It would certainly bury bodies in rock...

Of course God would follow a pattern, He created a pattern and laws of living and used those as guidelines in His creation. I mean, would you want to create hundreds and thousands of species that are completely unique? And why would you want to?

BrotherMan - I did state that I was unsure of my opinion on that subject, and my friend was a reason why I was unsure, because I cannot decide if that had the effects it may have or not.

It is still a THEORY of evolution, you cannot prove it. And when you break it down and go to the very beginning, evolution you have somehow a large amount of matter was there, boom, everything formed perfectly, and then there was life.

In creation, you have a supernatural being that creates the large amount of matter, He makes it go boom, everything forms perfectly, He creates life.

The way I see it it is more of a leap of faith to believe in evolution...

Matt

Eagel4Jesus · 06-16-2003, 06:42 PM

Oh yes, I do plan to take Logic and Language in college, it did not fit into my schedule though. However, I am enrolled in a Comparative Religion course, which will most likely teach me about everyone but the majority of people on this forum, hehe.

Matt

The Lone Ranger · 06-16-2003, 06:59 PM

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It is still a THEORY of evolution, you cannot prove it. And when you break it down and go to the very beginning, evolution you have somehow a large amount of matter was there, boom, everything formed perfectly, and then there was life.

I'm afraid you're only digging yourself in deeper. Honestly, if you don't understand something, just ask.

Ignorance is no crime. Flagrant display of one's ignorance is -- well, it should be, anyway.

Cheers,

Michael

Jobar · 06-16-2003, 08:22 PM

If you barely slice one edge off a Bagel, do you get an Eagel?

Seriously, young man, you are sorely in need of information which does not come from TBN. This is a good place to get it; I hope you stick around long enough to be embarrassed by this thread. It'll do you good. A few tips:

Ask questions before you make pronouncements.
Read topics which interest you without commenting. (It's called 'lurking', and is a perfectly acceptable way to learn what's going on.)
If you realize you're wrong about something, don't hesitate to admit it. We respect people who learn from their mistakes, no matter the size of the error. (And we come down hard on those who persist in trying to prove 2+2=5.)

You have not responded to us with anger, and that's good. So I won't tell you to respond to harsh words with soft ones- a precept from your religion, I recall.

It's not evil to be ignorant, but it *is* evil if you cling to your ignorance. If you honestly want to learn, and to correct your lack of knowledge, we're willing to help.

You've already been called a troll; in case you don't know, a discussion-board troll is someone pretending to be something they are not, in order to stir up trouble. Maybe you're a 35-year-old atheist pretending to be a woefully-educated 18yo believer; I'm betting that you are what you say, for now.

Either way, I'll admit I find you amusing.

scigirl · 06-16-2003, 08:25 PM

Hey Matt,

If you are interested in learning more about evolution, you are free to post in our evolution/creation forum. There are lots of laymen and scholars who are proficient in biology, geology, etc if you have any questions about the theories and facts of evolution.

Oh and be sure to check out talkorigins website!

scigirl

tronvillain · 06-16-2003, 09:26 PM

Eagel4Jesus:

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Microevolution - small differences between parental genes and genes of the offspring because of a small change in DNA.

Macroevolution - the ability of those small changes in microevolution to create a completely new species.

Ah, but there is no apparent obstacle to "microevolution" becoming "macroevolution" (as you define them). Pick two species: all that is necessary to change one into the other is a large number of small successive changes in DNA. Once you admit those definitions your only option is to claim that there are no viable paths between the genomes of two species along which small changes could take place, but given the relatively small differences in the genomes of two closely related species (chimps and humans for example) this seems very unlikely. Once you admit the possibility of microevolution you have essentially already lost the argument.

Eagel4Jesus · 06-16-2003, 10:15 PM

Well, it is nice to finally see some positive comments.

However, I do not believe I am wrong in what I said, I do think that I came nowhere close to explaining it how I should have, and it will take a completely different approach for me to be able to word everything correctly.

tronvillain - Well, since microevolution works very slowly (I do believe everyone will say so) and I am a normal Christian and think that humans and other animals have been on the earth for no more than 12,000 years, macroevolution has yet to exist according to my beliefs.

At 35 I hope to be able to use my spare time for something more useful, like producing offspring

than coming onto a bb and trying to act like an 18 year old.

Oh yes, my name is spelled incorrectly because I was typing too quickly...this isn't the first time I've mispelled Eagle when entering a username, unfortunately. The Eagle is the mascot of my university (Winthrop) which I will be attending next year.

I am awaiting a job for the rest of this summer while setting up a website, otherwise I do nothing all day so I'll most likely be reading a good amount on these boards in the next few days...

Matt

hezekiah jones · 06-16-2003, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Eagel4Jesus
However, I am enrolled in a Comparative Religion course, which will most likely teach me about everyone but the majority of people on this forum, hehe.

Actually if you want to learn about religion, you came to the right place.
We know more about it than the religious people do.
Many people here were once religious but thankfully overcame it.
In fact there are a handful of religious people here as well, that are extremely well informed about religion.
But we're working on them.

But I'll tell you right now, if you're going to spout a load of ill-informed fundamentalist propaganda, you're going to get hammered.

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06-16-2003, 06:39 PM	#53
Eagel4Jesus Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 22	Hmm, I do not know of any such sites because I have not gone around looking for them. But are there any studies or theories on the effect that a worldwide flood would have on geological columns and the sort? It would certainly bury bodies in rock... Of course God would follow a pattern, He created a pattern and laws of living and used those as guidelines in His creation. I mean, would you want to create hundreds and thousands of species that are completely unique? And why would you want to? BrotherMan - I did state that I was unsure of my opinion on that subject, and my friend was a reason why I was unsure, because I cannot decide if that had the effects it may have or not. It is still a THEORY of evolution, you cannot prove it. And when you break it down and go to the very beginning, evolution you have somehow a large amount of matter was there, boom, everything formed perfectly, and then there was life. In creation, you have a supernatural being that creates the large amount of matter, He makes it go boom, everything forms perfectly, He creates life. The way I see it it is more of a leap of faith to believe in evolution... Matt

06-16-2003, 06:42 PM	#54
Eagel4Jesus Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 22	Oh yes, I do plan to take Logic and Language in college, it did not fit into my schedule though. However, I am enrolled in a Comparative Religion course, which will most likely teach me about everyone but the majority of people on this forum, hehe. Matt

06-16-2003, 08:22 PM	#56
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	If you barely slice one edge off a Bagel, do you get an Eagel? Seriously, young man, you are sorely in need of information which does not come from TBN. This is a good place to get it; I hope you stick around long enough to be embarrassed by this thread. It'll do you good. A few tips: Ask questions before you make pronouncements. Read topics which interest you without commenting. (It's called 'lurking', and is a perfectly acceptable way to learn what's going on.) If you realize you're wrong about something, don't hesitate to admit it. We respect people who learn from their mistakes, no matter the size of the error. (And we come down hard on those who persist in trying to prove 2+2=5.) You have not responded to us with anger, and that's good. So I won't tell you to respond to harsh words with soft ones- a precept from your religion, I recall. It's not evil to be ignorant, but it is evil if you cling to your ignorance. If you honestly want to learn, and to correct your lack of knowledge, we're willing to help. You've already been called a troll; in case you don't know, a discussion-board troll is someone pretending to be something they are not, in order to stir up trouble. Maybe you're a 35-year-old atheist pretending to be a woefully-educated 18yo believer; I'm betting that you are what you say, for now. Either way, I'll admit I find you amusing.

06-16-2003, 08:25 PM	#57
scigirl Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 4,261	Hey Matt, If you are interested in learning more about evolution, you are free to post in our evolution/creation forum. There are lots of laymen and scholars who are proficient in biology, geology, etc if you have any questions about the theories and facts of evolution. Oh and be sure to check out talkorigins website! scigirl

06-16-2003, 10:15 PM	#59
Eagel4Jesus Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 22	Well, it is nice to finally see some positive comments. However, I do not believe I am wrong in what I said, I do think that I came nowhere close to explaining it how I should have, and it will take a completely different approach for me to be able to word everything correctly. tronvillain - Well, since microevolution works very slowly (I do believe everyone will say so) and I am a normal Christian and think that humans and other animals have been on the earth for no more than 12,000 years, macroevolution has yet to exist according to my beliefs. At 35 I hope to be able to use my spare time for something more useful, like producing offspring than coming onto a bb and trying to act like an 18 year old. Oh yes, my name is spelled incorrectly because I was typing too quickly...this isn't the first time I've mispelled Eagle when entering a username, unfortunately. The Eagle is the mascot of my university (Winthrop) which I will be attending next year. I am awaiting a job for the rest of this summer while setting up a website, otherwise I do nothing all day so I'll most likely be reading a good amount on these boards in the next few days... Matt

06-16-2003, 10:20 PM	#60
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Eagel4Jesus However, I am enrolled in a Comparative Religion course, which will most likely teach me about everyone but the majority of people on this forum, hehe. Actually if you want to learn about religion, you came to the right place. We know more about it than the religious people do. Many people here were once religious but thankfully overcame it. In fact there are a handful of religious people here as well, that are extremely well informed about religion. But we're working on them. But I'll tell you right now, if you're going to spout a load of ill-informed fundamentalist propaganda, you're going to get hammered.

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