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snoiduspoitus · 06-27-2003, 08:35 PM

Brilliant ruse or sad reality?

Quote:

We are made perfect through Christ's work on the cross.

I'm baffled as to why this has never been explained so succinctly before.

Biff the unclean · 06-27-2003, 10:24 PM

The bible is a mirror because it shows you your spiritual state.
Only if you censor out large parts of the bible. Which is what this thread is about and what you are admitting that you do.

If the authors were crooked like you, then all you would find would be records of events which tingle your ears. It seems that you are the one with the problem in the first place.
Crooked, me? I'm the one who says to read the entire bible. I say that because it will cause you to reject it if you have any morals at all.

Even an animal thinks he is perfect in his own eyes...
We are made perfect through Christ's work on the cross.
So you don't like people or animals. But fairytales you adore. Very sad, my "Atheist love" goes out to you. I hope you can be saved.

But you will not miss the fire...
Is that a threat I read. How very Christian of you to resort to threats and ignore logical thinking.

That is how you imagine things because your mind is as small as a comic book. But the records show otherwise...
It's not fiction but Fact!
Threats and now insults�.you are a Christian
There are no records of Jesus ever existing by the way. Didn't anyone ever tell you that?

Who is Jack Pulitzer? is he your Guru?
Are you trying to be funny? I don't want to treat this as if you were serious because it would make you out to be incredibly stupid. And I don't want to imply that. Of course you know what the Pulitzer prize is.

Was he there when the Bible was rearranged? or was he just picking out thorns from a rose bush?
There's a group of people called Jews. You may have heard of them. They still have their own bible and it is still in the order it was originally in.

Naaa... It shows there's a problem with your mind. No problem in my home.
But you just admitted in the last blurb to this problem.
You need the mind of Christ to cleanse you from all corrupted thinking.
And you, if I might be so bold, need to forget about this fictional superhero and start thinking for yourself. Read the entire bible. It has a few nice pieces. Some even border on genius. But mostly it is hateful and stupid. It should be kept out of the hands of children, and the simple minded who are swayed by fantasy.

The Other Michael · 06-29-2003, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Merlin
In fact, there were "prizes" given out at my church for reading the Bible from cover to cover. I have no reason to doubt that this is still the case in Southern Baptist society.

My hazy memories of childhood lead me to believe that I wasn't the only one who could read every word of an assigned text, and when I was done not have the faintest recollection of anything I'd read.

And if there was a prize, well, the reading time would shrink quite a bit!

cheers,
Michael

gREATEST sTORY · 06-30-2003, 11:30 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Biff the unclean

Biff: Is that a threat I read. How very Christian of you to resort to threats and ignore logical thinking.

The truth will indeed sound like a threat to infidels like you. It is exactly what makes you feel uncomfortable. Because you don't like the idea of Eternal torment. When Christians resort to speaking out the truth [because its the truth which can save you] then you automatically feel threatened. hahahaha... Its the fact my friend. Scientists have proven it!

Biff: Threats and now insults�.you are a Christian
There are no records of Jesus ever existing by the way. Didn't anyone ever tell you that?

Yes, I am a Christian. So what???
Well even though you don't believe in the truth about Jesus ever existing, let me tell you that the Bible is not the only historical evidence that has proven this fact. Well Jesus is mentioned by early historians who were hostile to Christianity. Anti-Christian writers like; Josephus - [a Pharisee and Jewish historian] in Josephus, The Antiquities 20.200 , Tacitus - A Roman Historian in Tacitus, Annals 15.44, and others mention about this Man called Jesus and that belief in Him was so strong amongst even a multitude of people that He was worshipped as God. He did supernatural things amongst the Jewish people, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate according to Tacitus, and was believed by many to be the Christ. If we can believe anything in history we should believe these reports by the detractors of Christianity. They effectively put to rest the ideas, popularised by some just like you, that Jesus of Nazareth never really existed, or if he did, the stories that went around about Him and who He was were not believed until much later.

Biff: There's a group of people called Jews. You may have heard of them. They still have their own bible and it is still in the order it was originally in. Read the entire bible.

When you are instructing me to read the entire Bible which I have done already, and find no fault in it, then I am advising you right now if you can, read the Jewish Bible and see if there's any great difference.

Biff: And you, if I might be so bold, need to forget about this fictional superhero and start thinking for yourself.

And you too, get real! He was not a fictional hero afterall... He's the ultimate reality from whom you are just trying to escape. Don't play with fire! You'll get burnt and this is not fiction! Satan does not want you to believe, there was ever a Jesus. So I have already thought for myself, now why don't you start thinking for yourself. This will be better...

Biff: Are you trying to be funny?

No no no, I just can't help but laugh at your foolishness. Because you sound the more crazy every single session.

Biff: It has a few nice pieces. Some even border on genius. But mostly it is hateful and stupid. It should be kept out of the hands of children, and the simple minded who are swayed by fantasy.

Bible be kept out of the hands of children?? you sound more childish. They may be more hateful and stupid to you than to children. When I was a child it was as precious to me as it is now. You call the Bible stupid but don't forget that the Bible has already branded you and those of your likes, fools!

"The fool says in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God, all have turned aside, they have together become corrupt.
Will evildoers never learn - those who devour My people as men eat bread and do not call on the Lord? There they are overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous!" - Psalm 14:1-5

And this is not a threat at all this is the lifeline!

That's all!

:boohoo:

ComestibleVenom · 06-30-2003, 11:38 AM

There's a great deal of tacit cencorship via ignoring obviously relevant passages when they are obviously germiane to a moral issue. (No, you should not hate gays, you should kill them)>

ComestibleVenom · 06-30-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by gREATEST sTORY
You call the Bible stupid but don't forget that the Bible has already branded you and those of your likes, fools!

That further degrades from it's credibility given the proportion of the wisest men of our age (far exceeding the simplistic but sometimes nice-sounding wisdom of men like Jesus) who are atheists.

Biff the unclean · 06-30-2003, 01:39 PM

The truth will indeed sound like a threat to infidels like you. It is exactly what makes you feel uncomfortable. Because you don't like the idea of Eternal torment.
Well Duuuuuhhhh!
I don't like the idea of finite punishment either. And if you said you were going to punch me in the nose you would be making a threat too. The only people I know who make threats of punishment instead of engaging in intellectual discussion are bullies. The only ones who make threats that they can't back up are dopes.
When Christians resort to speaking out the truth [because its the truth which can save you] then you automatically feel threatened. hahahaha... Its the fact my friend. Scientists have proven it!
Funny thing about that�science is how I make my living. I've yet to meet a Scientist who was frightened by your bogeymen.

Yes, I am a Christian. So what???
Your poor manners already gave you away.
Well even though you don't believe in the truth about Jesus ever existing, let me tell you that the Bible is not the only historical evidence that has proven this fact.
There is no historical evidence

Well Jesus is mentioned by early historians who were hostile to Christianity.
Jesus was mentioned by no one during his supposed life time.
Anti-Christian writers like; Josephus
The Jesus section was added to Josephus in the fourth century. It is thought to be a pious fraud by Eusebius.
Tacitus,
Talks only about Christians. He has no knowledge of a historic Jesus

When you are instructing me to read the entire Bible which I have done already, and find no fault in it, then I am advising you right now if you can, read the Jewish Bible and see if there's any great difference.
Yes as a matter of fact there is. God does not appear in the entire second half of the Jewish bible. The story in no way leads to Jesus.
He was not a fictional hero afterall... He's the ultimate reality from whom you are just trying to escape.
You are making the assumption that because you believe in these silly fairytales, and are obviously quaking in your boots over them, that others are as credulous as you are. I can assure you that we are no more frightened by your god story than we are frightened of the wicked witch of the west from the Oz books.

Don't play with fire!
"How about a little fire, Scare Crow?!!!!EEEEEEEhehehe!!!"

You'll get burnt and this is not fiction!
"And your little dog too!!!"

Satan does not want you to believe, there was ever a Jesus.
How do you know what Satan wants and what he doesn't? He's only a character in the same novel that Jesus is a character in.

No no no, I just can't help but laugh at your foolishness. Because you sound the more crazy every single session.
I'm afraid the choice you had there was either you were making a joke or you were abysmally ignorant. Are you sure that you picked the one you wanted?

When I was a child (the bible) was as precious to me as it is now. You call the Bible stupid but don't forget that the Bible has already branded you and those of your likes, fools!
And it also clearly says in Matthew 5:22 "Whoever shall say, Thou fool, is in danger of hellfire."

So because you spewed Psalm 14:1 at me you are now DAMNED!!!! Rock breaks scissors, NT trumps OT. See you in Hell, Sucker!

Just a hint because you don't appear to understand what is happening around you. Atheists don't believe in your god�period.
To threaten them with hell and spout the bible at them has exactly the same effects they would on you with gods you don't believe in.
Being a Christian you don't (I'm assuming�but Christians believe so many different wacky things I might be wrong) believe in Zeus. Now if I threw quotes from the Iliad at you that said that anyone who didn't believe in Zeus was an "Alpha" hole (ancient Greek humor) and I claimed that you didn't believe in Zeus because you were afraid he would send you to Tartarus, it wouldn't make any sense, would it?

Threatening Atheists with your non-existent god has the same effect.

wildernesse · 06-30-2003, 02:15 PM

gREATEST sTORY:

I'm sorry, but I am not sure what the point of your participation in this forum is. Could you tell me why you are here to threaten non-believers?

Do you think Jesus would have laughed at people who felt threatened by him? Do you think Jesus would have been as flippant as you have been?

I am interested in what scientists have proven about either: eternal torment, Christian truthfulness, or the ability of the truth to threaten non-believers. Do tell.

As for the "so what" of your Christianity, I believe that Biff is trying to ask if you think that threats and insults are the way believers are supposed to interact with non-believers.

Do you think that it is nice to call someone foolish or crazy, small-minded or crooked? Recently on a Christian board, moderators issued a public warning on a thread where a Christian had used Bible verses to flame someone. Do you think this is an appropriate use of the Bible?

I look forward to reading your thoughtful responses to my questions.

--tibac

agnawstick · 07-02-2003, 08:18 AM

I actually think that encouraging bible, especially OT reading should be something that is engrained in people.

95% of people reject OT morality inherently. Even those who claim to believe it. There are two sets of "believers" those who put blinders on, and hide the bad parts, and those who believe of a vile, angry, petty, evil God, yet call him super.

I think all children should be taught the Noah's ark story in context, and in relationship to the values their parents want to address.

I would love for a study guide for kids to be handed out at schools. That would be a fun project. Have a cheat sheet of questions kids could ask their parents. I have a list just off of my head for the Noah story.

1. God is all powerful and was able to use "selective strikes" to kill wicked people in the bible, why did he kill all the "unborn babies" and little children too when he had the power to save them?

2. Why did he use a flood and kill almost all of the animals? He might have saved 2 deer, but he killed millions of them when he could have just targeted the evil humans. What did Bambi do to deserve to die?

3. If Noah and his family were the only ones left, how could they make great grandkids without sleeping with family members? Isn't that wrong?

4. How did the Egyptians build their pyramids so fast? Aren't the egyptians another race, yet also descendants of Noah? Where did they come from? Why were people's skin colors so different so fast too? How were there very white people and very black people right after Noah's family populated the world.

5. How could 8 people take care of millions of animals? Feeding that many animals and cleaning up after them is alot of work. There aren't more than several thousand animals at a zoo, but it takes alot more space and people to take care of them.

6. How long did it take Noah to get all the animals? If he and his family had to go everywhere to get them, it would take a very long time. Did he go to the North Pole to get Polar Bears, to Antarctica to get Penguins, to Africa to get a zebra, to South America to get an Anaconda? Speaking of Anacondas. They eat other animals, as do lions and jackals. Some of them will only eat live prey. Wouldn't Noah have had to put extra live animals to eat onto the boat? What if an animal got a cold? Or a tiger got in a fight with a dinosaur? There were dinosaurs there too right? Was it just brontosaurus, or t-rex too, but what about the little chicken sized dinosaurs? How did they know which animal ate what unless they studied them? Did they write it all down? Like, pick up fish for the polar bear, feed the dung to the dung beetle, etc. Wouldn't it be a very long list? What if they forgot? Sometimes I forget to feed my fish, even when I fed my dog and my cat. Remember when my guppy died?

7. Sometimes when it rains, I don't see a rainbow afterwards. Does this mean God is thinking about killing us all again? Will Mr. Kitty and Rex have to die too or can we take them on the new Ark?

The Naked Mage · 07-02-2003, 01:07 PM

Threatening people, berating people, and burdening people with your witless, poorly-edited mouthings...way to love thy neighbor, gREATEST.

Jesus would bitch-slap you if he could pull his arms off that crossbeam.

06-30-2003, 01:39 PM	#37
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	I'll get you, my pretty...and your little dog too The truth will indeed sound like a threat to infidels like you. It is exactly what makes you feel uncomfortable. Because you don't like the idea of Eternal torment. Well Duuuuuhhhh! I don't like the idea of finite punishment either. And if you said you were going to punch me in the nose you would be making a threat too. The only people I know who make threats of punishment instead of engaging in intellectual discussion are bullies. The only ones who make threats that they can't back up are dopes. When Christians resort to speaking out the truth [because its the truth which can save you] then you automatically feel threatened. hahahaha... Its the fact my friend. Scientists have proven it! Funny thing about that�science is how I make my living. I've yet to meet a Scientist who was frightened by your bogeymen. Yes, I am a Christian. So what??? Your poor manners already gave you away. Well even though you don't believe in the truth about Jesus ever existing, let me tell you that the Bible is not the only historical evidence that has proven this fact. There is no historical evidence Well Jesus is mentioned by early historians who were hostile to Christianity. Jesus was mentioned by no one during his supposed life time. Anti-Christian writers like; Josephus The Jesus section was added to Josephus in the fourth century. It is thought to be a pious fraud by Eusebius. Tacitus, Talks only about Christians. He has no knowledge of a historic Jesus When you are instructing me to read the entire Bible which I have done already, and find no fault in it, then I am advising you right now if you can, read the Jewish Bible and see if there's any great difference. Yes as a matter of fact there is. God does not appear in the entire second half of the Jewish bible. The story in no way leads to Jesus. He was not a fictional hero afterall... He's the ultimate reality from whom you are just trying to escape. You are making the assumption that because you believe in these silly fairytales, and are obviously quaking in your boots over them, that others are as credulous as you are. I can assure you that we are no more frightened by your god story than we are frightened of the wicked witch of the west from the Oz books. Don't play with fire! "How about a little fire, Scare Crow?!!!!EEEEEEEhehehe!!!" You'll get burnt and this is not fiction! "And your little dog too!!!" Satan does not want you to believe, there was ever a Jesus. How do you know what Satan wants and what he doesn't? He's only a character in the same novel that Jesus is a character in. No no no, I just can't help but laugh at your foolishness. Because you sound the more crazy every single session. I'm afraid the choice you had there was either you were making a joke or you were abysmally ignorant. Are you sure that you picked the one you wanted? When I was a child (the bible) was as precious to me as it is now. You call the Bible stupid but don't forget that the Bible has already branded you and those of your likes, fools! And it also clearly says in Matthew 5:22 "Whoever shall say, Thou fool, is in danger of hellfire." So because you spewed Psalm 14:1 at me you are now DAMNED!!!! Rock breaks scissors, NT trumps OT. See you in Hell, Sucker! Just a hint because you don't appear to understand what is happening around you. Atheists don't believe in your god�period. To threaten them with hell and spout the bible at them has exactly the same effects they would on you with gods you don't believe in. Being a Christian you don't (I'm assuming�but Christians believe so many different wacky things I might be wrong) believe in Zeus. Now if I threw quotes from the Iliad at you that said that anyone who didn't believe in Zeus was an "Alpha" hole (ancient Greek humor) and I claimed that you didn't believe in Zeus because you were afraid he would send you to Tartarus, it wouldn't make any sense, would it? Threatening Atheists with your non-existent god has the same effect.

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06-27-2003, 10:24 PM	#32
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	The bible is a mirror because it shows you your spiritual state. Only if you censor out large parts of the bible. Which is what this thread is about and what you are admitting that you do. If the authors were crooked like you, then all you would find would be records of events which tingle your ears. It seems that you are the one with the problem in the first place. Crooked, me? I'm the one who says to read the entire bible. I say that because it will cause you to reject it if you have any morals at all. Even an animal thinks he is perfect in his own eyes... We are made perfect through Christ's work on the cross. So you don't like people or animals. But fairytales you adore. Very sad, my "Atheist love" goes out to you. I hope you can be saved. But you will not miss the fire... Is that a threat I read. How very Christian of you to resort to threats and ignore logical thinking. That is how you imagine things because your mind is as small as a comic book. But the records show otherwise... It's not fiction but Fact! Threats and now insults�.you are a Christian There are no records of Jesus ever existing by the way. Didn't anyone ever tell you that? Who is Jack Pulitzer? is he your Guru? Are you trying to be funny? I don't want to treat this as if you were serious because it would make you out to be incredibly stupid. And I don't want to imply that. Of course you know what the Pulitzer prize is. Was he there when the Bible was rearranged? or was he just picking out thorns from a rose bush? There's a group of people called Jews. You may have heard of them. They still have their own bible and it is still in the order it was originally in. Naaa... It shows there's a problem with your mind. No problem in my home. But you just admitted in the last blurb to this problem. You need the mind of Christ to cleanse you from all corrupted thinking. And you, if I might be so bold, need to forget about this fictional superhero and start thinking for yourself. Read the entire bible. It has a few nice pieces. Some even border on genius. But mostly it is hateful and stupid. It should be kept out of the hands of children, and the simple minded who are swayed by fantasy.

06-30-2003, 11:30 AM	#34
gREATEST sTORY New Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Temporal Habitation Posts: 4	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Biff the unclean Biff: Is that a threat I read. How very Christian of you to resort to threats and ignore logical thinking. The truth will indeed sound like a threat to infidels like you. It is exactly what makes you feel uncomfortable. Because you don't like the idea of Eternal torment. When Christians resort to speaking out the truth [because its the truth which can save you] then you automatically feel threatened. hahahaha... Its the fact my friend. Scientists have proven it! Biff: Threats and now insults�.you are a Christian There are no records of Jesus ever existing by the way. Didn't anyone ever tell you that? Yes, I am a Christian. So what??? Well even though you don't believe in the truth about Jesus ever existing, let me tell you that the Bible is not the only historical evidence that has proven this fact. Well Jesus is mentioned by early historians who were hostile to Christianity. Anti-Christian writers like; Josephus - [a Pharisee and Jewish historian] in Josephus, The Antiquities 20.200 , Tacitus - A Roman Historian in Tacitus, Annals 15.44, and others mention about this Man called Jesus and that belief in Him was so strong amongst even a multitude of people that He was worshipped as God. He did supernatural things amongst the Jewish people, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate according to Tacitus, and was believed by many to be the Christ. If we can believe anything in history we should believe these reports by the detractors of Christianity. They effectively put to rest the ideas, popularised by some just like you, that Jesus of Nazareth never really existed, or if he did, the stories that went around about Him and who He was were not believed until much later. Biff: There's a group of people called Jews. You may have heard of them. They still have their own bible and it is still in the order it was originally in. Read the entire bible. When you are instructing me to read the entire Bible which I have done already, and find no fault in it, then I am advising you right now if you can, read the Jewish Bible and see if there's any great difference. Biff: And you, if I might be so bold, need to forget about this fictional superhero and start thinking for yourself. And you too, get real! He was not a fictional hero afterall... He's the ultimate reality from whom you are just trying to escape. Don't play with fire! You'll get burnt and this is not fiction! Satan does not want you to believe, there was ever a Jesus. So I have already thought for myself, now why don't you start thinking for yourself. This will be better... Biff: Are you trying to be funny? No no no, I just can't help but laugh at your foolishness. Because you sound the more crazy every single session. Biff: It has a few nice pieces. Some even border on genius. But mostly it is hateful and stupid. It should be kept out of the hands of children, and the simple minded who are swayed by fantasy. Bible be kept out of the hands of children?? you sound more childish. They may be more hateful and stupid to you than to children. When I was a child it was as precious to me as it is now. You call the Bible stupid but don't forget that the Bible has already branded you and those of your likes, fools! "The fool says in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God, all have turned aside, they have together become corrupt. Will evildoers never learn - those who devour My people as men eat bread and do not call on the Lord? There they are overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous!" - Psalm 14:1-5 And this is not a threat at all this is the lifeline! That's all! :boohoo:

06-30-2003, 11:38 AM	#35
ComestibleVenom Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,320	There's a great deal of tacit cencorship via ignoring obviously relevant passages when they are obviously germiane to a moral issue. (No, you should not hate gays, you should kill them)>

06-30-2003, 02:15 PM	#38
wildernesse Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,578	gREATEST sTORY: I'm sorry, but I am not sure what the point of your participation in this forum is. Could you tell me why you are here to threaten non-believers? Do you think Jesus would have laughed at people who felt threatened by him? Do you think Jesus would have been as flippant as you have been? I am interested in what scientists have proven about either: eternal torment, Christian truthfulness, or the ability of the truth to threaten non-believers. Do tell. As for the "so what" of your Christianity, I believe that Biff is trying to ask if you think that threats and insults are the way believers are supposed to interact with non-believers. Do you think that it is nice to call someone foolish or crazy, small-minded or crooked? Recently on a Christian board, moderators issued a public warning on a thread where a Christian had used Bible verses to flame someone. Do you think this is an appropriate use of the Bible? I look forward to reading your thoughtful responses to my questions. --tibac

07-02-2003, 08:18 AM	#39
agnawstick Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: arcadia California Posts: 65	I actually think that encouraging bible, especially OT reading should be something that is engrained in people. 95% of people reject OT morality inherently. Even those who claim to believe it. There are two sets of "believers" those who put blinders on, and hide the bad parts, and those who believe of a vile, angry, petty, evil God, yet call him super. I think all children should be taught the Noah's ark story in context, and in relationship to the values their parents want to address. I would love for a study guide for kids to be handed out at schools. That would be a fun project. Have a cheat sheet of questions kids could ask their parents. I have a list just off of my head for the Noah story. 1. God is all powerful and was able to use "selective strikes" to kill wicked people in the bible, why did he kill all the "unborn babies" and little children too when he had the power to save them? 2. Why did he use a flood and kill almost all of the animals? He might have saved 2 deer, but he killed millions of them when he could have just targeted the evil humans. What did Bambi do to deserve to die? 3. If Noah and his family were the only ones left, how could they make great grandkids without sleeping with family members? Isn't that wrong? 4. How did the Egyptians build their pyramids so fast? Aren't the egyptians another race, yet also descendants of Noah? Where did they come from? Why were people's skin colors so different so fast too? How were there very white people and very black people right after Noah's family populated the world. 5. How could 8 people take care of millions of animals? Feeding that many animals and cleaning up after them is alot of work. There aren't more than several thousand animals at a zoo, but it takes alot more space and people to take care of them. 6. How long did it take Noah to get all the animals? If he and his family had to go everywhere to get them, it would take a very long time. Did he go to the North Pole to get Polar Bears, to Antarctica to get Penguins, to Africa to get a zebra, to South America to get an Anaconda? Speaking of Anacondas. They eat other animals, as do lions and jackals. Some of them will only eat live prey. Wouldn't Noah have had to put extra live animals to eat onto the boat? What if an animal got a cold? Or a tiger got in a fight with a dinosaur? There were dinosaurs there too right? Was it just brontosaurus, or t-rex too, but what about the little chicken sized dinosaurs? How did they know which animal ate what unless they studied them? Did they write it all down? Like, pick up fish for the polar bear, feed the dung to the dung beetle, etc. Wouldn't it be a very long list? What if they forgot? Sometimes I forget to feed my fish, even when I fed my dog and my cat. Remember when my guppy died? 7. Sometimes when it rains, I don't see a rainbow afterwards. Does this mean God is thinking about killing us all again? Will Mr. Kitty and Rex have to die too or can we take them on the new Ark?

07-02-2003, 01:07 PM	#40
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	Threatening people, berating people, and burdening people with your witless, poorly-edited mouthings...way to love thy neighbor, gREATEST. Jesus would bitch-slap you if he could pull his arms off that crossbeam.

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