ps418

Between 3 and 10 times the smoked dose for a comparable effect. Eating is very inefficient. And just eating it as-is doesn't work very well. You should either cook it with butter or oil, then add the butter or oil to receipe, or make a tincture using puregrain alcohol. You can find some information by searching for "cooking with cannabis." Personally, I think oral consumption is a waste, but some people like it.

Patrick

Nuno Figueira

I have a completely different opinion from Patrick. To me smoking is a waste, besides being unhealthy and eating is the way to go with cannainoids. With regular hash I'd take anything from a minimum of one gram to a maximum of 10 g, with weed I don't really know, but as a minimum something between enough to do 3 to 5 strong joints should do it. If you're like me this won't really do, you'll "need" more. The high should be a lot stronger and longer, like up to twelve hours for a strong dose. Experiment and eventually you'll find what suits you.

ps418

Its not at all clear that smoking is any less healthy than eating, especially when you're eating 3-10 times as much. Eating 10 grams of hash, for instance, is just asking for trouble. Assuming 20% THC by weight, that's a whopping 2 grams of THC per dose, which can easily cause a strongly dysphoric reaction, and the effects will last for 6-12 hours. Obviously most people could not afford to spend that much money on a single dose either. To anyone reading this, I would strongly recommend against eating anything close to 10 grams of hash, at least without having experience at much smaller doses.

Patrick

sweep

brilliant work patrick! on top of making hemp illegal so that the synthetic industry has a monopoly on fibres, the pharmacutical industry have the same cause to keep marijuana plants out of the mainstream. of course, this is speculation, but dexanabinol is one alternative synthetic, and a good reason to keep cannabis off the production line. I'm all for synthetic cannabinoids so long as the basis for this decision has little to do with money and more to do with health. I was particularly interested in Glutamate excitotoxicity, and the neuroprotective effects of dexanabinol, although I can't for the life of me figure out what 'tumor necrosis factor alpha' is, or how it occurs. nevertheless, thanks again for the info pat.

depends on how strong your stash is. For me usually about half a gram of hash does the trick, but I've done up to three to four grams when my tolerance is high. Eating weed is more inefficient than eating hashish. Having said this, if you have plenty of weed, then eat it. better than having to smoke it. It does the same trick, if not more than smoking it pure, which takes an equal toll on your stash.

for me and mine, it is as easy as pie. Grow the stuff at home and the black market disappears. If everyone did this who wants to use cannabis, and kept their mouths shut, no repercussions, no dirty cash, and no lumping the dope with other drugs into a collective illegal category. Why doesn't alcohol expose youngsters to the 'other' drugs? because it is part of mainstream culture, perhaps?

ps418

Indeed, there are good reasons to prefer synthetic cannabinoids in some contexts. For instance, most glaucoma patients would like to do what they can to lower intraoccular pressure and thus slow the progression of glaucoma, without having to get thoroughly baked in the process. Dexanabinol makes this possible. Plus, glaucoma mainly occurs in older people who are already at higher risk for dementia and cardiovascular problems which could be exacerbated by old-fashioned THC.

In other cases, though, it makes less sense to use synthetic cannabinoids. For instance, there is really no clear benefit to using synthetic THC (dronabinol, aka marinol) over plant cannabis. In fact, dronabinol is worse in some ways, because it takes longer to produce the therapeutic effect. That said, however, amongst people who have taken both smokable cannabis and dronabinol therapeutically, there are some who prefer dronabinol and some who prefer smoking cannabis.

Here's an ironic anecdote. Can't remember the guy's name. There was a guy who was growing his own medical cannabis. Like 5-6 plants in his closet. He gets busted. Judge refuses to hear his medical defense. When he gets to prison, he is later prescribed dronabinol! Go figure.

Patrick

Nuno Figueira

Sure, it gets expensive but I used to get very cheap, like for nothing.......



To my knowledge it's in the combustion that most hazardous to health chemicals are produced when smoking anything.

Dysphoric reaction?? I just used to call it a moderate high.....Seriously though, I used to smoke around 5-10 gr per day for many years so I must have had a tolerance a bit beyond that of the common drug user.

And for the record, I wouldn't recommend anyone using drugs, all the info I provided here is purely intended for educational purposes.

sweep

In a way, he's right. The other night I did a little too much, and the term 'baked' pretty much describes the 'peak' after an hour and a half. I knew this wouldn't last at a peak for too much longer, since there are only so many receptor sites for the cannabinoids to cling and my brain can only feel so tense. After all, my brain isn't going to blow up, is it? The worst thing that could happen would be for me to pass out somewhere dangerous.

As I put it before, the worst thing to do while high is nothing. Hiding in a corner in someones house won't help. I went on a walk last night and it's just as bad when I'm telling myself not to think. That's one of the first illusions. Thinking about not thinking (why am I not relaxing? this isn't working! *panic*) Don't tell yourself to relax, just do it. (I don't think computers and big oral doses mix, because that definitely irritates my nerves more, making me more liable to panic.)

Everytime I overdo it I tell myself I'm going straight tomorrow and this is the last hit, but I always feel a lot better later, and I forget what a nightmare it can seem. If you really want to find out how bent you are, just eat a bit of hash that's going to overwhelm you. If you're totally perfect, then that's alright but I swear I'm not going to have violent thoughts ever again on the hash, because it makes me feel sick. Cannabis and violence do not mix, but just try and think about something that makes you scared, and you won't have a problem.

so, there you go. find out for yourself. knock yourself out! the devil might appear, but just remember, its only you. (versus you)

Godless Dave

Sweep, it sounds like you are having a bad reaction to THC. It seems to be making you tense and paranoid. If you are having trouble cutting down how much you use I suggest some form of addiction counseling. I'm not going to get into the semantics about whether or not pot is "addictive" but it is certainly possible for people to develop a habit and not be able to stop or reduce intake even when they want to.

sweep

do you understand where I am at GD? have you ever eaten lots of hashish and been through something similar?

Godless Dave

I have never eaten hash. I have smoked large amounts of weed in my time, and while I haven't had effects as severe as you describe I have experienced depression, nervousness, paranoia, and muscle-aches. They went away if I layed off smoking for a while (a week, a month, or three months)

I've only smoked hash a few times, and I remember it giving me a pretty strong "body high", so I'm not surprised you are feeling uncomfortable physical effects at a high dose.