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Dr. Evil · 04-28-2002, 09:22 AM

Defending animal testing on moral grounds is a much more difficult task. In doing so, you place the lives of humans above that of animals. It is rationalized that the mere fact that we can ask the questions about disease processes places us above other species. I guess its up to the individual to decide.

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I have heard the argument that the diseases we are fighting through said research are in fact natural and normal parts of life - and that by fighting them we are ultimately removing ourselves further and further from a natural existence (one not depending upon medical supplementation, like vaccination), and ultimately overbreeding?

This may be the case, but by switching horses in mid stream and stopping vaccination programs etc, you place developing countries without adequate public works system (sanitation, sewer, water purification) in peril of being plagued with disease, more so than countries where these sytems are already established. So in more developed countries, should we destroy these public works systems and return to a more natural state as well?

droolian · 04-28-2002, 11:42 AM

Dr.Evil: The news story was dated April 23, 1998, I searched NEJM for the whole month of April 1998 and could not find the study they site.
I tried joining the NEJM site, but I didn’t want to spend the 20. The CNN article says the same thing and has not been retracted since 1998. It’s directly from CNN’s site. That should confirm it's validity.

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Dr.Evil: No where on the web site you provided does it say that in vitro toxicity test are more accurate than toxicity studies in animal models. If you say this statement, you must provide proof (remember in vitro studies must be way more accurate than 0.32% in predicting harmfull drug effects, good luck. Also how are you going to extrapolate dosage information from a culture dish without a circulatory sytem or any means of metabolizing the drug?

Sorry, it turns out John Hopkins was just honoring him there. Here's the work and sorry it's very long.

<a href="http://www.cctoxconsulting.a.se/EDIT.html" target="_blank">http://www.cctoxconsulting.a.se/EDIT.html</a>

<a href="http://www.estsoctox.ee/SSCT_ETS/ssct_ets.html" target="_blank">http://www.estsoctox.ee/SSCT_ETS/ssct_ets.html</a>

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