crocodile deathroll

Yes like all creationists like Ken Ham, I strongly doubt their sincerity. They are only preying on the gullible and the ignorant by threatening them with helfire and eternal damnation if they do not make a financial contribution to their churches and then they laugh all the way to the bank, period.

Chip

Not to mention that it is their own gullibility and ignorance that causes them to act this way.

Regards, Chip

crocodile deathroll

I am sure it lead to them start acting in this way, then came the luxurious yachts and lifestyles
They were extremely reluctant to admit they were wrong then.
Just take Jimmy Baker and Jimmy Swaggart for example.

Frivolous

The big bang theory violates many laws of physics such as all (?) the laws of thermodynamics. Time, space, matter and energy expanding from one point in nothingness cannot be accounted for without violating these laws. And if the laws of physics can be wrong, God can exist.

Anti gravitational super conductors, non Newtonian fluids, the properties of radioactive metals and quantum tunneling would all have appeared to violate the reality of those who discovered them.

Life in the reproducable sense came from phospholipid membranes in a primordial soup (from another viewpoint), and these are all mass. Mass and energy in the big bang theory arose from nothingness.

i've taken that back now. Sorry people
And i will also try to be less obnoxious.

The big bang theory has no reason behind it. And the life question is all about reason.

Usually they are. But i will try to reverse that trend starting from around now. Bare with me while i take this large burden upon my shoulders.

Many people exploit the spiritual hunger of others financially but many others do it to help, like Christian aid agencies and missionaries in third world countries (Mother Theresa)

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Living Dead Chipmunk

You're absolutely correct. Praise Vishnu!

crocodile deathroll

If I was nearly starving the death then I could not care less about religious backgound of the missionaries, just so long as I was fed that is all that matters. Is this more to do with saving lives than saving souls?

Or would you give Christian converts more preferential treatment?

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Oxymoron

Life is the universe's way of rapidly degrading free energy into heat.

Well, according to a recent New Scientist article anyway. A Google search for 'exergy' might yield some light (pardon the pun).

Peter Soderqvist

TO FRIVOLOUS

Soderqvist1: is the earth flat? Yes says the bible, Lord Jesus have seen it too!
Literally all men believed in the flat-earth in these days, don't you think that the scholars of the bible should have written it down, if the opposite was hinted, or revealed by god? Furthermore, Pontus Pilate has never met Jesus according to the Roman Journals, and Josephus was born in 37 AD have not met Jesus either, thus the biblical Jesus is real, in as much as Santa Claus, Zeus, or unicorns are!

Ezekiel, chapter 7
1: Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2: Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

Daniel, chapter 4
20: The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;

Matthew 4:8
7: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2: And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3: Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4: And I heard the number of them, which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

The Bible at University of Virginia
<a href="http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/relig.browse.html" target="_blank">http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/relig.browse.html</a>

Jesus: History or Myth?
In all the years I was a Christian minister, I never preached a sermon about the evidence for a historic Jesus. There was no need for such a sermon. I stood before many congregations and associated with many ministers, evangelists and pastors, and not one of us ever spoke about the possibility that Jesus was a fable, or that his story is more myth than history. We had heard, of course, that there were academic skeptics, but we dismissed them as a tiny minority of quacks and atheists.
<a href="http://www.users.bigpond.com/pmurray/Rants/doc/lfif-51.html" target="_blank">http://www.users.bigpond.com/pmurray/Rants/doc/lfif-51.html</a>

Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To Atheist by Dan Barker
<a href="http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/" target="_blank">http://www.ffrf.org/lfif/</a>

Soderqvist1: Have you never heard about quantum jumps, or thermodynamic fluctuations? It is in accord with quantum physics that the universe came into existence by a quantum jump! It is not the realm of natural science to describe what was before big bang, because natural laws has broken down in the condition of singularities, but the big bang, and the expansion of the universe, is in accord with the second law of thermodynamics, and its increase of entropy through time, in phase-space!

Soderqvist1: Yes of course, but scientists can modify their theory when facts have hit them in the face, but all the old facts must also fit the new theory, hence modified. The difference here is that, the scientists' can point out these "new phenomena", but you cannot point out the old allegations about the biblical talking snake, and flat-earth etc, because the bible is only a fairy tale!

Soderqvist1: An electron can be at two places in the same unit of time, and disappear here, and jump up somewhere else in the universe, this is quantum tunneling you know, and the probability distribution of state vector Psi in the universe, can be described by Schrodinger 's wave-mechanics! So what is your point?

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crocodile deathroll

Why bother arguing with these fundies because they always fall into the same cycle of <a href="http://www.positiveatheism.org/faq/faq1114.htm" target="_blank"> circular reasoning </a> every time, which is a logical fallacy.

Typical if question them about the existence of a God

Is there a God?
Yes.
How do you know?
Because the Bible says so.
How do you know the Bible is correct?
Because it was inspired by God.



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