slept2long

OOPS. Nice article.

Yes it points out.......... but he hasn't given the damn speech yet! The article is about the possibilities of what he might say. He probably will use every issue to his advantage and as President he can CREATE issues. I think he will with his speech. Concrete descriptions of what I think he'll say fail me except I don't think he'll say the reasonable or logical thing.
Why limit yourself? Discuss it and abuse the :banghead: icon.

Gurdur

I live to serve.
You were implying American interventions in Central and South America were solely because of the Cold War. I knocked that one on the head. You DIDN'T mention Panama ?
dear me ? Whyever not ?
Why so scared of Panama's example ? Nope. Just destroying your implicit argument it was all solely owing to the Cold War.
Not weak. I haven't as yet.
Though I must to admit to some unholy glee catching no less then four people badly on the hop. This thread made my day.
Okeydokey, I admit I have never heard of the Cold War, Reagan, ice-cream. UFO's, angels, McDonalds, Beyelzu, or Saskatchewan wild-cats.
Happy now ?
I live to serve.
YES, please.
Please immediately provide some reliable stats on that subject.

Preferably with comparisons to Americans.
The point is not whether you are "sure"; you've offered some hard stats, and I would greatly like to see them.
Nope, but Americans are so good at it......
Land Of Freedom For Superstition & Creationism.

Gurdur

*snicker*
I must admit to criticising myself for the inordinate cruel jollity with which I suddenly descended into in this thread.
I shall duly flagellate myself, but only after flagellating all those caught on the hop some more.

Machiavelli

Since Cuba was the object of America's first "Regime Change" during the Spanish American war it only seems fitting to address the "Cuba Problem" now that we are in "Regime Change" mode.

Like Bush's Iraq, Teddy Roosevelt's "Merry Little War" was deemed a huge success by the administration. Hugely popular in america, it was pointed to as proof of our great strength. Much of the language used today towards Iraq was used towards the Spanish rulers of Cuba, and none of the economic interest was ever acknowledged by the government. The similarities are quite extensive.

We know what happened since then though. We installed a government which was soon ousted by Castro, et voila, here we are today. A fifty+ year struggle with a puny little dictatorship that has done it's best to be a thorn in our side since it's inception.

That's what pisses me off about the Administration and the press's claim of success in Iraq.

What success?

No Iraqi Army/Republican Guard.
No Sadaam
No WMD's
No Massive showing of support

But they'll claim it anyway. And judging by his poll results, he's quite succesful at it.

John Hancock

Machiavelli

Since you mentioned the USA's first adventurism into Cuba (there were previous military excursions in South America), the US kept the same administrators in charge of the Cuban people. All we did was usurp Spain's position.

Martin

beyelzu

Gurdur, you are have delusions of adequacy again.

I didnt mention Panama, because the thread was called eyeing cuba not screwing Noriega. I freely admit that Panama had little or nothing to with the cold war.

Last I checked though with cuba there was this little thing called the Cuban Missile Crisis. Wherever did those missiles come from, can someone say Russia?

Now I failed to find any good statistics on what stupid shit people believe in. However, there are certainly some barbaric cruel stupid practices that amercians dont engage in.

female circumcision is a fine example

cannabalism isnt a bad example I suppose.

There are countries more religious than us as well.

Iran, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Vatican, India

beyelzu

we North americans are more likely to admit we are fallible.


north america is less religious than south america as well.


from http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/atheism/89453

isnt as relgious as latin america. woohoo.

Gurdur

*cough* Pot, kettle, black.
BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE SPOILT YOUR ARGUMENT.

Oh ! I'm sorry ! I shall NOT mention pineapples, UFO's, Iraqi WMD's and neonates BECAUSE THEY AREN'T IN THE THREAD TITLE.
The Age Of Miracles has not yet passed.

Naaaaw, GRENADA. choc-a-bloc full ! Or perhaps Iraq !
ROFL !
I knew you were bluffing.

ROFLMAO !
"But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently estimated that more than 150,000 women and girls of African origin or ancestry in the United States may be at risk of the rite or have already been cut.....
A group of physicians at the the Harborview Medical Center, a public hospital in Seattle, have taken a different view. After Somali mothers repeatedly requested that their daughters be genitally cut in the hospital, the doctors proposed what they considered a largely symbolic form of the ritual: nicking the tip of a girl's clitoris, with her consent, under a local anesthetic. No tissue would be removed, they said. The proposal has stirred an emotionally charged debate there.

"I think that this is an issue that should be decided by a physician, the family and the child," Abraham Bergman, chief of pediatrics at the hospital, said. "Privacy should prevail and the brouhaha is inappropriate."
Jeffrey Dahmer.

Great ! The USA is better than Iran !!!! We are awed !
:notworthy:

This clutching at straws is unseemly, Beyelzu, and besides which, should you really be giving me so much opportunities for devilish fun ?

beyelzu

I might be clutching at a few straws. Obviously as an atheist I am not pleased by America's xian trend. I do not know that we believe in more stupid shit per capita than other countries. I do not think we do, but I cant seem to find the statistics one way or the other.

I am shocked that anyone would allow female circumcision in America. It is incredibly barbaric and cruel, fuck their cultural right. It is maiming a child for no reason. I undestand that doctors are going to do it symbolically, but I am left with a what the fuck???!!?!?! type of feeling

sorry /end rant.

now back to cuba, and please quit hiding behind yeti, pineapples, any other export from hawaii, anything that is round and flies unless its one of those missiles, you know from the cuban missile crisis, I would be glad to talk about those.


so in conclusion, Cuba 2: The Cuban Missile Crisis was all about the cold war. which you may recall is over now?

want a link on that, gurdur?

Gurdur

Well, yes, and Pope John Paul II might be a Catholic.
It has now been outlawed in the USA --- but only after 20 years' of effort by a Congresswoman. LOL, Beyelzu.
Allow me to make a colour-coded schemata of this thread, OK ?

Red for statements of fact
Blue for mordant witticisms

1. Gurdur opens the thread with a post linking to a news article, which discusses among other things the comments of the Cuban head of mission in the US, Dagoberto Rodriguez.
   
   You have the choice of believing or not whether or not Gurdur cunningly did not actually breach copyright by reproducing the whole news article in order to provoke the coming train-wreck
   
2. No-one reads the article, except maybe Iamthebeerking, who objects to the source.
   
   Just which source Iamthebeerking was objecting to is not clear. Perhaps he has something against The Guardian ?
   Rodriguez ?
   Simon Tisdall ?
   
   But at least we learn Iamthebeerking has a velvet picture of a crying clown, which may or may not explain things.
   
3. zamboniavenger objects to the idea that the USA will immediately invade Cuba
   because
   "what would the USA get out of invading Cuba ?"
   
4. Gurdur points out that the USA has already supported an invasion of Cuba
   and
   much later on, Martin Buber points out that the USA made a direct invasion of Cuba way before
   
5. Beyelzu brings up the Cold War.
   The charitable interpretation of Beyelzu's remark would be that the USA only promoted the Bay Of Pigs because of the Cold War, and that therefore the USA is not all that nasty, and wouldn't simply go around intervening willy-nilly in small Central American countries.
   
6. Gurdur points out Grenada, Panama etc.
   i.e. the USA does go around intervening willy-nilly in small Central (and South) American countries.
   
7. zamboniavenger comes back to say that the main enemy of the USA is Islamic terrorists these days, and therefore Cuba wouldn't be intervened in.
   
8. Gurdur mentions Venezuala
   
   At this point, we begin to notice a sad development.
   Given the choice between patiently explaining things or simply giving up, suddenly Gurdur gets his evil twin to do the typing.
   
9. Gurdur plays unfair and brings up the ACTUAL ARTICLE AND WHAT IT SAYS, though sneakily Gurdur does not actually say what it says, but instead simply leaves it as a link.
   
10. At this point, we have A TRAP CLEARLY MARKED IN BRIGHT NEON ANNOUNCING "HEFFALUMP TRAP"
    
11. The first falls in; Slept2long says he really doesn't think a direct immediate invasion is likely.
    
12. Gurdur's Evil Twin plays very unfair, and points out that the article does not state an immediate invasion is likely --- in fact the article specifically states it is unlikely --- but that if Bush does go all gungho on Cuba, it might lead to a runaway process eventually leading possibly to a direct intervention sometime in the future.
    
13. There is some other little incidents along the path, but the path is clear.
    Or ?

You're not being serious, are you ?