99Percent

What the heck is a "compatiblist" anyway?

oneofshibumi

This is the ethics that Jesus-Humanists follow.

KOHLBERG’S Stages of Moral Understanding

The PRECONVENTIONAL LEVEL: morality is externally controlled

STAGE 1: The punishment and obedience orientation. Children at this stage find it difficult to consider two points of view in a moral dilemma. Fear authority and avoidance of punishment as reasons for behaving morally.

STAGE 2: The instrumental purpose orientation. Awareness that people can have different perspectives in a moral appears, but at first this understanding is very concrete.

The CONVENTIONAL LEVEL moral understanding is based on conforming to social rules to ensure positive human relationships and societal order.

STAGE 3: The “good boy—good girl” orientation, or the morality of interpersonal cooperation. The desire to obey rules because they promote social harmony first appears in the contest of close personal ties.

STAGE 4: The social-order-maintaining orientation. At this stage, the individual takes into account a larger perspective—that of societal laws.

The POSTCONVENTIONAL LEVEL individuals define morality in terms of abstract principles and values that apply to all situations and societies.

STAGE 5. The social-contract orientation. Individuals regard laws and rules as flexible instruments for furthering human purposes.

STAGE 6. The universal ethical principle orientation. Right action is defined by self-chosen ethical principles of conscience that are valid for all humanity, regardless of law and social agreement.

Samhain

99Percent:

How can pure reason determine morality? All morality is based on the concept that the Other's existence is just as important as your own, this has to do with empathy which is an emotion. Reason cannot provide the answers to a concept which is purely based upon emotions, except, perhaps, in a utilitarian form, but even this presupposes that the good of the many outweigh the good of the fewer, and weighing good and evil is something that is based on emotion, not reason. Sure, we can rationally refine the ideas of morality, but the base is set in emotion, so we cannot define it through reason.

How is it based on reason? If we were emotionless beings, how would we be able to form the concept of morality?

I very much doubt that that is a subjective goal. While many people may desire to be happy, I think that there are far more values which replace personal happiness as one may go throughout one's life. In addition there are varying degrees of happiness as well.

Scorpion

Oh? How does that account for, say, buddhism, in which you're supposed to get above and beyond happiness (and where it is particularly stressed that one's ultimate goal is not happiness?)

Of course you can get past this by defining happiness as something everyone goes for (therefore everyone's goal is happiness even when they claim that it isn't - steering away from happiness is what makes them happy), and I can accept that definition for now even though I suspect it is hiding a circularity somewhere deep inside. I want to see where this is going to

Not close enough to see it myself... care to help me take the last steps?

-S-

tronvillain

99Percent:
Well, this should be very entertaining...

Mr. Sammi

I am a confusionist.

With every one claiming their GOD is the one and only true GOD and the state of the world constantly in terror and war, I believe there is enough evidence to confuse me.

Is this the ball of confusion?


Sammi Na Boodie ()

Satan Oscillate My Metallic Sonatas

Nu,
...ok...that's a start.

How then do you account for the fact that there does seem to be a non subjective morality...an objective morality?

SOMMS

Jobar

Hello Nu- I agree with Scorpion here; this is Moral Foundations and Principles stuff. I'm going to put it there.