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Old 06-27-2003, 04:29 PM   #21
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Drunk, on Ecstacy and high on pot. That's quite the inebriation.
I know most people would be perfectly capable of seeing what needed to be done. This was not a split descision. This was a long, drawn out death with evidence of reflection on the problem.


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Too bad an all-powerful, loving God didn't overrule her free will? Am I hearing you correctly?That wouldn't be particularly "moral", would it?
Failing to overrule the free will of a pugnacious fellow with a handgun, or by words forcing someone to confront the nature of their actions is particularly immoral.

To 'overrule will' is not incompatible with having will. (Being able to evaluate situations, and act upon those evaluations with an eye to our interests and goals.) For it is the very constraints of nature that provide a framework in which human will can exist. Rules and recursive robotism set us free.

<<Are you telling me that you don't really mind if the Christian God turns people into robots when it suits Him? That's OK in your view, is it? How very interesting. >>

We are always robots, our actions causally influenced as other natural phenomenon. The mere addition of a beneficial influence does not constitute a sudden transition into robotism. Human minds always have been and always will be interdependent upon various causal influences, a fact which makes humanity possible in the first place.



To have guidance from a wiser person is hardly tantamount to a removal of will. It would be de facto overruling perhaps, but this is as I have shown, compatible with the freedom of man.

Merely because the wolf fears and bites you when you let it out of the cage, your action set it free even though you opposed it's will.
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Maybe she didn't get an answer because she wasn't really listening. Even a small child should know that if someone is dying, you call for help. Obviously this woman had some type of problem to begin with. That's just my thoughts...
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If she could drive home, get the garage door open, get the car in, and then close the garage door, she was perfectly capable of calling 911, so she deserves a long prison sentence.
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Quite frankly, in cases such as this where the crime is so heinous, and where there is no faint hope of innocence, I have no problem with the death penalty. This woman richly deserves a rope around her neck. I'm sure her claims about prayer and such are bs anyway... claiming religiousity is always worth a shot in the American court room, I suppose. I'm glad it didn't work.

Inebriation should never be an excuse if the criminal chose to become inebriated. People should be expected to take responsibility for the consequences of their decisions to take drugs. What, she chose to drink, smoke weed, and take E, and drive (after all, she didn't ensure she wouldn't have access to a vehicle while sober, did she, and if I'm not mistaken her driving while inebriated this time was not an isolated incident)... but because she was so wasted she isn't at fault? No. I'm sure her drugged state played a role in her decision making, but I doubt it totally prevented her from behaving correctly. And even if it did, she freely chose to take those drugs.. so it's her damn fault.
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i partook in those 3 vices just last nite. and have done all 3 a few times. and i can tell you this, i maybe pretty messed, but i certainly know how to take care of myself, and check on my buddies and so on. she's obviously got mental problems or something.
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Old 06-30-2003, 02:09 AM   #26
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Default brilliant refutations of gawd an prayer

... i'm very impressed with the refutations of the FreeWill/Gawd/the devil made me do it/ Prayer mumbo jumbo...
Now in the same state a woman is told by gawd to drown her kids in order to keep them from going to hell ... and in another
Branch Davidians ...
i wonder how the xians are praying now that anal sex is legal "under gawd with justice for all" in Texas.

The woman, Mallard, recieved a 50 year sentence ... in prison with a plethora of *true believers* ...wonder what gawd is telling them now???
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I don't know the absolute full complete story but I think she's a repulsive halfwit.

I think she deserves excommunication from whatever religion she claims to practice even to the extent that if she was given the death penalty she should be denied any kind of religious counselling, assistance or comfort leading up to, during and following her execution.

If executed the occassion should be made so utterly low key, so matter of fact and and so coldly devoid of any witnesses, last rites, final meal with loving relatives or anything that could make it seem like an occassion that she really feels what it is like to be considered utterly banal and meaningless.

Let her taste what it's like to be considered utterly meaningless and to be simply just..........deleted.

How sickeningly banal can a human mind, heart or soul be that it should let another human die allegedly because it's waiting to hear (from the God it believes in), what that God has told it a thousand times through scripture and the examples of numerous decent people already?

Or was it that she was a bit drunk at the wheel? Was the penalty for drink driving five hundred bucks? Did she consider the person bleeding to death in the windscreen of her car to be worth merely seven bucks fifty?
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Maybe she didn't get an answer because she wasn't really listening. Even a small child should know that if someone is dying, you call for help. Obviously this woman had some type of problem to begin with. That's just my thoughts...
What would Jesus do?

He'ld whisper his advice, so only people who's common sense already tells them what to do will hear him.

Does he have laryngitis? How odd..
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