Peez

This demonstrates very clearly that yygke knows little or nothing about evolution as fact or theory. Even if this silly "model" were true, it would not then be logical to conclude that it is not true simply on the grounds that one doesn't like the truth.

Peez

phlebas

Actually, as I understand these things, wolves and dogs have a common ancestor -- it's not that a Chihuahua has "wolf blood," but that both of them can be traced back to a dingo-like beastie.

Could be wrong, though.

Anyway, as for the topic at hand, I had been wondering when this would creep back up. It's overdue. The anti-evolution crowd can't beat the evidence, so they try to shame evolutionists into renouncing their views (or at least withdrawing from the field).

Racists who appeal to evolutionary theory are misinformed. By claiming that white folks are "superior" to black folks are not looking at any sort of genetic information. They are just trying to wrap their feeble brains around some justification for their barbaric notions and behaviors.

Equating racism with evolution makes as much sense as equating racism with astronomy.

Peregrine

There is only one species, race is an artificial label applied to outwardly visible morphological differences that are a result of adaptations to different environments.

Malaclypse the Younger

Regardless of the biological facts, it should be noted that unless you believe that racism did not predate the publication of <a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/origin_of_species/" target="_blank">On the Origin of Species</a> in 1859, the concept that the scientific Theory of Evolution is somehow responsible for racism is obviously fallacious.

-DM-

I hope you realize that you just started something even though you said that you were going to let others start everything. (By stating that you want thoughts on how evolution and racism can possibly not go hand in hand, you are implying that they do go hand in hand.)

Turn it around. Give us your thoughts on how creationism and racism cannot possibly go hand in hand.

If the fact that one race had evolved before another would make that race to be less than the next race which had evolved, then creationism (at least in one version) is necessarily sexist inasmuch as woman was allegedly made from man. Tell us your thoughts on how this version of creationism and sexism cannot possibly go hand in hand.

--Don--

Someone7

It should be noted however that the theory of evolution has been used to try and validate racist notions since the publication of On the Origin of the Species. This movement has been dubbed <a href="http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/special/scientific-racism.html" target="_blank">scientific racism</a>, and was a standard belief among a large percentage of biologists until several decades ago.

For a good overview of this movement, and a good refutation of it, I suggest reading Stephen J. Goulds' <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393314251/internetinfidelsA/" target="_blank">The Mismeasure of Man</a>.

Coragyps

I may have said this before here on II, but hey, I'm an old fart. I forget things.
Yes, Spencer and others seized on some of Darwin's ideas to promote their own racist agendas. We know that. One of my not-completely-favorite ancestors, Dr Ebenezer Dickey Junkin, was in another camp. In about 1850, he, a respected Presbyterian clergyman and college president, wrote a catechism (a pre-computer FAQ)subtitled "Especially for the Instruction of Colored Persons" for his fellow churchmen to use. This book has questions and answers explaining to these Colored Persons that Jesus doesn't want them to rise up against their masters, and in fact would prefer that they be submissive and accept their lot.
Now I read that as racist! Yygke, would you like to comment? Remember, Darwin didn't publish until 1859, so Ebenezer hadn't read him.

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scigirl

Bwa ha ha ha ha!

You mean irrelevant like, answering your questions by refuting your silly YEC claims?

scigirl

tronvillain

phlebas:
<a href="http://www.dickinson.edu/departments/biol/EvolutionWeb/colflesh/" target="_blank">The genetic connection between dogs and their ancestors.</a>

yygke

Let me clear something up. I am not a racist. I am not trying to justify, promote, or support racism in any manner, so please get off my back about it.

rufus-
using that same logic, monkeys are not more primitive than humans. Hmm...

And if you guys are trying to say that something that has had longer to evolve is therefore smarter than something that has had less time to evolve, than why aren't insects (or any other earlier-evolved species) ruling the planet?
Your answer to this will be: we (humans) are the continuation of other species.

So then those other species are inferior, and therefore so would other races of a species that came earlier.

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