The Frood Dude

But Klingon porn?

Say, I heard on the news today that there is a niche opening for mental health counselors who speak Klingon. Apparently there are crazies out there who will not respond to traditional treatment, but require a counselor who can meet them in their delusions and draw them out. In Oregon, I hear.

seebs

Wait, the One Accord thread? I'd actually possibly consider PM'ing one of the other GA mods to ask if there is a prohibition against friendly humor in that forum that you weren't aware of.

seebs

"From my point of view, the current Rule 6 stands. If one professes to be a Christian with his or her mouth, and yet in their posts it is clear that he or she advocates and promotes sin that is in contradiction with the Bible, or states that he or she does not believe in the Bible itself, then it is assumed that the member is not a Christian, despite what he or she says. The issue of unorthodox doctrine is not even an issue for discussion."

So, previously, we were told that no one was being called "non-Christian", but there was a concern about unorthodox doctrine affecting newbies. Now the gloves are off, I suppose.

Arikay

My question is, who judges what the bible says is a sin?

It would seem to me that there are many things the bible says are sins, that arent used today to discredit people. Otherwise shouldnt we tell anyone who has had a divorce that they cant post in the christian only forums?

Some groups have considered dancing a sin, so do we bar all those who dance from the christian forums?

seebs

Exactly my concern. This will get worse. As is, the rule is clearly targeted at liberal Christians (they've even said so). So, once those people are gone, the consensus of "reasonable" dispute will narrow a bit. After a while, other people will find their positions no longer "acceptable". I would guess that, unless there is a radical change, the board will have a MUCH narrower set of users in a year or three.

Has had isn't the same as an ongoing "sinful" behavior. However, consider the following sins:
* Advocating the freeing of a slave.
* Opposing any earthly government.
* Rejecting the authority of the Catholic Church.
* Calling any man "father", rather than God the Father.
* Use of contraception.
* Judgement of another's salvation.
* Condemnation of any person.
* Adding things to the Bible, such as the Apocrypha.
* Removing things from the Bible, such as the Deuterocanonicals.
* Praying "to" graven images, which is to say, with a graven image in the room.
* Failing to honor and respect the saints.

You can't get away from them all.

Exactly the problem. This rule basically means that people who don't happen to agree with enough of the mod staff on an issue are no longer "Christian". Before this post from Erwin (that's who I was quoting), the official statement was that no one was being judged "non-Christian", but that, rather, the board was acting to protect newbies from "false teachings". The quoted statement directly contradicts this on both counts.

*sigh*. It was fun while it lasted.

Arikay

thanks for the list, I generally stay away from Hellfire and damnation, "you are are demonic sinners for doing normal things" people.

At this rate the forum will end up completly going against its mission statement like thing at the top of every page.

If they are serious about it contaminating newbies, then they should have a newbie forum. Hey, they could even set the forum up so that if you are a newbie, you can check a box if you are christian, and for your first x number of posts you get to hang out in a moderated newbie forum, or something.

The big thing I see is why would anyone want to judge someone as being or not being a christian over interpretations? I mean, isnt god the only one that can trully judge who is christian and who isnt? And anything we judge based on interpretion is based on our own, sinfull, non godly views.

It all seems rather hypocritical to me, but then, thats my evil godless heathen views.

seebs

Well, keep in mind, the key here is that people make all sorts of shit up.

I think you can go to Hell for recognizing that which is good in the human soul, and rejecting it. Give or take; that's the essence of the problem.

It has. The moment they admit to a rule targeted at "liberals", they have specifically singled out some denominations as less equal than others.

Why, yes.

The problem is, most people are utterly unaware of how much interpretation they do.

Frankly, if I weren't so close to crying, I'd be laughing myself sick at seeing a *PROTESTANT* condemn a *CATHOLIC* for rejecting Christian authority. I know this isn't the forum for preaching, but for fuck's sake.

Not much room for opinion there. Given that the Bible *ABSOLUTELY CLEARLY* prohibits judging and condemnation... Yeah, calling someone "non Christian" for not believing the exact same things you do on anything outside of the Creed or thereabouts... Yeah, that's hypocrisy. If you accept the Bible, you're pretty much stuck accepting that you aren't in a position to say someone's not Christian.

(And saying "oh, we don't judge them, we just deny them the privileges we extend to people who are Christian" is bullshit.)

I give up. In the year I was at that forum, LouisBooth got to call me a non-Christian, accuse me of lying dozens of times, call my wife a cheating slut, and do about a dozen other things. He's still an admin. He's still got no warnings.

They have made it clear that some denominations (say, fundamentalists) are more equal than others.

BTW:

http://crossandflame.com/forum/index.php

If you want a place to discuss religion with Christians, and without being bashed... This looks pretty good. Thanks much to Frood Dude for finding it.

Arikay

I agree. (Ok, so I dont have much more to add )

Thanks for the forum. It might be nice to get a broader range of christian views.

RufusAtticus

Once again, the fundies when they can't beat the arguments of non-fundies resort to changing the rules. Remember when you were young that kid who always said "I'm taking my ball and going home." Well that kid and children like him now runs ChristianForums. The fact that they feel the need to isolate themselves from others is proof of liberal victory.

I wonder how long till Wildernesse gets a PM telling her that she is not a Xian because she is yoked to an unbeliever?

wildernesse

Erwin says:

How can he say this with a straight face? We're not saying you aren't a Christian, you are just not allowed to post in the Christian-only areas! Who doesn't get to post in the Christian-only areas? Well, obviously, non-Christians!! But they're not saying you aren't a Christian, that's between you and God. But STAY OUT of the Christian area!

My mind reels. I am really, truly shocked. Why can't they expose "wrong teaching" in the threads in which they appear? If they are wrong, then surely there is some reason that the other people are right.

--tibac