Ion

To summarize the thread so far, it has been established that 'The Cancer Patient Proof', shows that we don't know how the nature works.

To claim 'explanations' through ill-defined gods, concocted by superstitions, that's a lack of reasoning.

Godbert

Originally posted by post-it
The punishment is on mankind, each person works to avoid the punishment whenever possible.

So again, what's your problem with christians dying of cancer - that's a way to stop the punishment and go to heaven, is it not?

Godbert

Here is again what your initial point was:
Maybe a system of punishment for original sin is at work and when one problem is fixed by man's knowledge, another one pops up.

So to the statement you made it is completely irrelevant what would happen if today's problemfixings were applied to people of 2000 years ago or what the life-expectancy is for people living today in places where those problem-fixes are not applied.
We fixed some problems here (and consequently live 2-3 times longer on average) and nothing has popped up to balance that because otherwise the life-expectancy here would still be 25.

PS: to choose people from just 2000 years ago as counterexample is rather curious anyway considering there have been humans for at least 100 000 years, and they probably had a life expectancy of less than 20 years, so I've been rather conservative in my assessment.

Philosoft

So at least we know we have the option of being maximally unhappy for eternity, but as for whether the afterlife actually offers something enjoyable, we'll just have to wait and see. Is that how it works?