Heathen Dawn

Using the Bible to prove the divine inspiration of the Bible. Wonderful logic, Magus.

Qur'an 2:1: "This book, there is no doubt in it, it is a guide to those who fear God". And this is but one tiny reference from the many in which the Qur'an claims to be the Word of God, yet you don't believe it.

wade-w

The bible is divinely inspired because the bible says so? This is a textbook quality example of circular logic, Magus. It proves absolutely nothing.

-DM-

If so, then you don't understand the word "prove" in the same way that I understand it. I would grant that you consider this evidence, but proof it is not so far as I am concerned.

Of course, at the time that Paul [allegedly] wrote this, there was no Bible as we now have it, therefore he could not possibly have been referring to the Bible as it is now. Further, it is debatable whether it should be "scripture" or "Scripture" here, and it has been translated differently in different versions.

I may be fallible, but I am sufficiently in tune with what is and isn't fallible to realize that your "God" (if your god is the "God" of the Bible and of Christianity) is hopelessly fallible. Evidence abounds in what is generally considered by Christians to be "His Word."

-Don-

Jobar

Magus55:
The truth is God, anything you offer me is a lie.

If that wasn't so incredibly sad, the juxtaposition of your statement right after a definition of 'invincible ignorance' would be utterly hilarious.

Magus, I'm really curious. If you honestly believe all we say which contradicts your beliefs is lies, why do you keep coming here? There are passages in the Bible which instruct you to kick the dust of our virtual town off your feet, and try the next. Yet you stay here, and scoff, and rant, and insult.

I'm not complaining, actually. Ones like you, and Ed, and former posters like Vanderzyden and In Christ Douglas and David Mathews and jo-jo sa and, well, lots of others- you all have done far more harm to the beliefs you espouse than we who only disbelieve. We may argue logically, but reading posts from you and your ilk have a visceral emotional kick which causes any reasonable, kind and polite person, of whatever belief, to recoil in disgust. You provide us with perfect examples of just what is wrong with blind and unquestioning belief.

We have interesting and intelligent and well-spoken believers, like luvluv, BGiC, HelenM, and numerous others, who by their good manners and willingness to interact with us as honest and even likeable fellow human beings, makes their beliefs more palatable by association. We disagree with them, but they do not inspire the rancor and derision- even hatred- which you do. My main complaint about the 'good' theists on these boards, I think, is that they too seldom speak up to condemn the anti-intellectual and even anti-human dreck you so often shovel.

So, I have to say that I am rather glad you will never be one of our de-converts. As you are now, I have to say I am pleased and proud to be diametrically opposed to all your ideas and opinions <flame deleted - liv>.

livius drusus

I have split this discussion from the brutal derailment of Have any theists been "deconverted" by this forum. Please refrain from insulting Magus or anyone else or this thread will be locked.

Thank you,
livius drusus
Moderator - GRD

Doctor X

Funny . . . quotes a questionable letter but does not adhere to Ezekiel:

Of course, one should not expect consistency. . . .

--J.D.

-DM-

According to the Qur'an, Magus is a sinner who will burn in hell for his Christian belief, for following and worshipping a false god or gods. The Qur'an describes the behavior of Christians as abhorrent to Ala. Therefore (according to the same kind of reasoning that Magus employs), this proves that Ala exists and that the Qur'an is true.

-Don-

winstonjen

He's referring to the Persecution Complex (TM).

winstonjen

Then god must hate people like you.

Let's build a bonfire and burn the Not-Quite-Christian-Enough!

winstonjen

Think of them as the modern-day temple prostitutes, Magus.