Jupidor

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Gawen

Ok. That's not hard to believe. This doesn't require extraordinary evidence.

Well, here we start. I'm sure you're going to tell us why as we read along. However, if a being is omniscient, it's omniscient. One cannot be all-powerful to a CERTAIN extent.

This is an argument for the E/C forum.


If the earth revolves around the sun, it can't be straight. Ok...just kidding.
Our solar system has only one star. Sol.

Ok.

Another E/C forum discussion.

Ok now, which is it? God is what? Or God was what?

Well, by our standards you're correct.

Just two quotes ago you said "Now imgoing to give my opinion of what god is (or was)". It's the "God was" bit that bothers me. If God "was", when did he begin to not be? On the other hand, how do you know the Bible says what it says is true? How did superstitious bronze-age goat-herders know what God was enough to define it and we sit here without evidence other than what they handed down by oral tradition?

I'm not quite understanding this statement.

This would mean that the Quran and the Book of Mormon would also be from God's ideas. Are they all correct?

So would a comet, or a shooting star or a supernova. This only took me 10 seconds to think about.

The story of Moses and the burning bush has but two characters in it. Moses and God. No other witnesses. I suppose the next thing you may tell us is that God sat in his starship a hundred miles high and fine-tuned the ships phasers to cut out the 10 Commandments. I mean really. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by photon torpedoes.

Don't forget God wrestled Jacob. So how did God get down to the planet? Transporter? Shuttlecraft? Don't forget that God played dirty with Jacob as well. God was losing the wrestling match and only won because he smacked Jacob in the crotch.

I really don't think there were helicopters and parachutes 2000 years ago. I you are alluding to something of the sort, then you need evidence to back up the assertion.

Isn't it wonderful what man can do without a god?


Who cares?

It is if one does not have grapes.

Been reading von Daniken lately?

That may satisfy you and Christianity, but what about the the Jews?

Why would your aliens come to this planet? Why, if the aliens were so powerful, intelligent and so very technologically advanced come here to start a religion and give up their advantages to become goat-herders? If you alien gods were so good, why didn't they teach humans here their tech advances instead of hiding it all away?

Atheists are more human centred. We no right from wrong and care generally about the human condition. Why are Christians the most religious group in prisons and atheists less than 1% of 1% in prison?
Now you're just getting silly. If Germany believes in the U.S. they won't get killed.

Why would superior extraterrestrials need to make this up when they could just wipe us out anyway?

Well, heaven and hell are written in the bible. If parts of the bible are not true, how do you know heaven and hell are true?

No. A merciful god would prove of its existence and the existence of heaven and hell before one died so one could make an educated decision.

This is not appropriate discussion for this forum.
Uninteresting postulation. Full of assertions and conjecture with no evidence to back it up. Just as unbelievable as an Omni-max, invisible, miracle working, out of this time and space, no-one-knows-the-mind-of-god sky daddy.

What on earth are they teaching you kids up there?

Seomah

Jupidor:

I'm glad that you don't believe the christian nonsense.
What you describe is quite a fantastic possibility, but is far more probable than the bible. As long as you keep talking about "what if" or "could be", that's an interesting thought.

I would only be afraid if you said you believe that to be true, but I don't think that's the case. I hardly can figure it: please try to improve your grammar and spelling skills a bit. One long post as yours is quite hard to read without paragraph breaks and much more if you type as if you were talking. If you really want people to answer your post, use some time making it easy to read.

The alien theory is not original, sorry. You have a lot to learn about all the god and religion stuff. This forum is a really good place to start, just read the stickies. I don't want to sound condescendent, it's just an advice.

I always thought (being a child) that those circles around the saint's heads were resembling helmets. When I first saw the pictures of the moon mission with the sun reflecting on the round astronaut helmets, I though about all the characters in the bible being not aliens, but human time travellers. Take that for a crazy hypothesis.

Al this post is just to encourage you to keep learning and searching the truth, keeping your skepticism up, even if we sound a bit harsh to people less literate in these matters sometimes.

Mikael

What I thought when I read your post?
Stargate, thats what I thought.

Jupidor

Im glad if you read this far first off. Ok I would rather believe intelligent life beings far more advance then us helped form us rather than a single infallable being simple created us with apparently no more then a wave of his hand over 6 days if that happend why would there be so much evidence agianst it?
Also I meant to say there are more stars in our galaxy then grains of sand on our planet. Not solar system was a mistake sorry. There wasnt helicopters on earth in the year 2000 not that we know off but if a civilization is 10000 years ahead of us then whats so magnificent of creating something similair on earth, and teleportation is hard to do but possible with the vast amounts of energy it requires? and besides scientists on earth have created molecular level worm holes. We can do so much now in our current age, so much that we couldnt do just 10, 15 years ago, but in 100 why would suck biblical events look godly at all. And god to me did seem infallable untill i thought about it he is no longer infallable to me, but just an advanced being.

Lowly Idiot

Of course the biblical creation myth didn't actually happen. Outside of the US, no-one gives it any fucking credence whatsoever. It's puerile gibberish.

However, it has about the same amount of supporting evidence as your super spaceman hypothesis. (Spolier: It's zero.)

And, besides, spacemen creator dudes from across the milky way, still beg the question. How did they emerge as sentient beings?

Embrace your inner stupid, Jupidor. For we idiots are a special breed.

RAFH

Jupidor, think about this, you come in here with a half page of ranting, much of it poorly written with numerous spelling errors, grammatical mistakes, etc. You admit you haven't read the bible but insist you know enough about it to comment. You make a large number of factual mistakes and then excuse yourself because you didn't take the time to get it right.

Well, if you didn't take the time to get it right, why should we bother? If you don't care enough to use the spell checker, to go over your OP and make sure it is grammatically correct, factually correct, and that it is clear and concise, why should we bother?

Beyond that, why should we give consideration to your rehashes of ideas that were published internationally by a number of authors years if not decades before you were born? Ideas that were fully discussed and refuted years if not decades before you were born. Publications that had been checked for spelling and grammar, that didn't have basic factual errors such as using 'solar system' instead of 'universe'.

This is why Suetonius pointed you to the stickies. He could have just as well as pointed you to Wiki (pedia). If you want people to seriously consider your thesis, you should at least get the spelling and grammar and basic facts right. You should at least read the materials you are referring to, fully. You should research your ideas and see if anybody else has proposed them and what the criticisms of them were. Going through that process is a lot of time consuming and often hard work, but it is an effective way of avoiding looking like a complete twit. It does not absolutely protect one from that fate, as a famous line goes, 'fools are ingenious', particularly at making themselves look foolish.

As to the actual content of your OP, my response is "been there done that", as noted, years if not decades before you were born. You have nothing new, nothing interesting, nothing noteworthy, nothing that hasn't been refuted numerous times in the past by numerous world recognized authorities on the subjects, which if you had done even a modicum of research, you would have realized.

I'm glad you are curious, everyone should be and hopefully you will continue to be so. However, I am dismayed by your opening statement you are smart, because your postings contradict that. Especially the posting that you haven't read the bible but you know what you need to about it anyway. That is not smart. That is arrogant stupidity in action. Of perhaps stupid arrogance. Perhaps both.

Please do continue to participate in IIDB, but please, in the future, do a bit of research first. And do try using your spell checker and doing a bit of basic editing before you post. Otherwise the smart asses here at Infidels will jump on your mistakes like fleas on a fat dog.

RAFH

I dub thee Sir Lowly Idiot. You are obviously of superior idiot material.

Hedshaker

Has anyone mentioned Erich von Däniken yet?

Chariots of the Gods


I really can't be bothered to study this thread to find out

Headache

No, nobody mentioned that charlatan and for good reasons.

It had been labeled SciFi, it might not have been too bad, but since it's published as some sort of factual text, it's 100% pure rubbish!