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Old 04-11-2003, 07:46 PM   #11
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The general theory of relativity relies on the fact that nothing can exceed the speed of light. Scientists at Princeton have used an exceptionally small particle to break the speed of light.
What particle would that be?
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http://www.howstuffworks.com/news-item6.htm
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Ice, no particles or information travelled faster than light in those experiments (read the last sentence of the article)--it has always been known that certain properties of waves can appear to move "faster than light" in some sense, in a way that does not violate relativity. See this thread for more on these types of experiments:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=37729

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In general it is possible for waves to travel faster than the causal interactions between the bits of matter/energy which make them up. Think of a long row of sports fans doing the wave, except instead of waiting till they see the person before them standing up they stand up according to a prearranged schedule--in this case the wave could potentially exceed light speed (imagine that the bench is two light seconds long, but the schedule dictates that the last person on the bench stands up only one second after the first person). This is why the "velocity" of a wave can be a bit misleading. This page on wave velocities gives a technical explanation for why both phase velocity and group velocity can exceed light speed without any information (or matter/energy) doing so.
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I thought particles like tachyons travel faster than the speed of light. Okay, I know they have not been discovered yet.
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I thought particles like tachyons travel faster than the speed of light. Okay, I know they have not been discovered yet.
Tachyons are not ruled out by relativity, but as you say they have not been discovered. Also, if the relativistic notion of the equivalence of different reference frames is correct, then two slower-than-light observers armed with tachyon transmitters and travelling away from each other at a sufficient fraction of light speed could send messages back in time--observer A could send some information to observer B using tachyons, then observer B could beam the same information back to him using tachyons, and observer A would recieve observer B's message before he sent the original message. For this and other reasons, most physicists seem to think that tachyons will never be found, and that perhaps they will end up being forbidden by the laws of physics.
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