Valentine Pontifex

The ICR board disappeared about a year ago if memory serves.

Silent Dave

I'm not surprised. I wasn't there, but I imagine the discussion board went like this after the great purge:

"Now that we've gotten rid of those pesky evolutionists, we can really start to discuss strategy here. How do we successfully defend and spread creationism?"

"Attack evolution by any means necessary."

"Got that covered. What else?"

"Attack evolutionists by any means necessary."

"That too. What else?"

"That's about it, actually."

"Oh . . ."




(months later, an admin realizes that the discussion board is uselessly taking up server space and deletes it.)


Dave

Jimmy Higgins

That was pretty much it. They had one poster, Gplant, I think. He had discovered flaws in virtually every mainstream science, however, he couldn't bother to go over them in there.

To be honest, I don't think there was a purge. They opened the site and membership details mentioned that it was a site to "discuss" YEC, not debate it. Any of us who signed up got booted very quickly. After that, they averaged about 3 to 4 posts a month.

Peez

I came across this quote at the Humanist Society of Gainsville website:Peez

Valentine Pontifex

So Sarfati is a foolish bigoted slave?

KC

Here is a gem of misquotation, on several levels, and its not even by a creationist:

http://www.isteve.com/Darwin-EnemiesonRight.htm



KC

Passant

I know this is off topic, but the article linked to above makes an interesting observation. If 47% of Americans believe in young earth creationism, where are they? All mainstream media support evolution. The article reffers to Jurrassic Park, I don't recall any widespread objection to this movie, and obviously it was a great success. Almost everyone I know is a Christian, but I've only met a couple that regect evolution. Could there be something wrong with the poll's?

Valentine Pontifex

Don't forget the those who run the media do tend to be a bit more educated then the general population.

As for Jurassic Park, why are assuming that Joe Six-Pack creationist gives a hoot? You do not have to accept evolution to enjoy the movie. Those how object are are generally activist fantatics. Activists and rank-and-file of any movement often have very different attitudes. The preacher and the laity; the head of the National Wildlife Foundation and a member of the NWF; the leader of a union and a union member are all examples of this. It is likely that many of them would have objected to almost any movie. Remember that one does not have to believe that time travel is possible to enjoy The Terminator, nor does one have to believe that intelligent robots are possible.
I am sure that plenty of tech people enjoy Star Wars movies in spite of bad astronomy, bad physics, bad political science, bad biology, bad military strategy, and the mumbo-jumbo of the "force." And many Christians enjoy those movies as well even though they are certainly do not have a Christian viewpoint.

As for you not knowing many YECs, you have made a major fallacy. YECs often have a hard time believing any Christians believe in evolution. The fallacy is the same. People tend to group with people with similiar beliefs and backgrounds. How many people have you really asked this about? Do ask randomly? Lets face it, you have not. For example, do you spend more time with educated people or people sympathetic to science? Or do you hang out at rural fundamentalist Southern Baptist churches? Do you ever avoid possible disagreement that might lead to conflict? Might the people around you do the same? Is the group of people you deal with at work a truely random cross-section of America? Almost certainly not. Say you work at a university or in a town with a university. That will skew it dramatically. It is true also if you work at an auto plant, retail, etc. The same goes for what you choose for recreation. Then there are factors of ethnicity, what part of the country one is at, etc.


Some magazine predicted that FDR would be easily defeated for re-election when he easily won. Why where they wrong. This was an early poll made this mistake of assuming its readership was similiar to the nation at large when it was not. It is hard not to commit this same error with our everyday lives. The people we know, the people we discuss things with, etc. is not random.

Passant

Valentine Pontifex,

You make some good points. I do tend to talk religion with anyone I meet, even to the point of annoying my freinds and family. Of course I don't really know any fundamentelists, and the YEC's I've met were. I just seems strange, I see shows on UFO's, Bigfoot, etc. but nothing on YEC. For being almost half the population, it seems YEC's are pretty silent, outside the internet or school board meetings of course!

The Lone Ranger

It depends upon where you live, too.

I used to live in rural North Carolina, and I'd bet you any amount of money that almost all the people in the area were YEC's. I used to write an occasional column for a local newspaper, and every time I mentioned the subject of evolution, the paper would receive dozens of letters from outraged readers.

Heck, my 7th-grade biology teacher was an outspoken creationist, and taught us that God was responsible for the existence and diversity of life.

Cheers,

Michael