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Elvithriel · 06-05-2003, 12:50 PM

Wrong big brother Loren.

meritocrat · 06-05-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Walross

Not touched on yet either is the fact that bullying can be detrimental to the health of the bully as well (both emotionally and potentially physically). Bullying is usually a sign that all is not right with a person. To permit them to continue with that behaviour is to not only condone it, but also to refuse help to someone who might desperately need it.
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I've heard some psychological research what states that bullies possess high self-esteem and harass others in order to maintain that level of self-esteem.

Viti · 06-05-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by meritocrat
I've heard some psychological research what states that bullies possess high self-esteem and harass others in order to maintain that level of self-esteem.

How about some documentation or a link on that? I have never heard such nonsense. True self esteem does not need to be maintained by harassing others.

Walross · 06-05-2003, 02:22 PM

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I've heard some psychological research what states that bullies possess high self-esteem and harass others in order to maintain that level of self-esteem.

I too would like to see some backup for this. Furthermore, if they need to engage in assault in order to maintain their self-esteem, then there truly is something wrong with them.

Walross

Viti · 06-05-2003, 02:39 PM

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Parents of bullies were more likely to have marital difficulties, and have an inconsistent approach to discipline (lack of affection), Lowenstein (1978).

Aggressive male school bullies were more likely to have an aggressive father who was himself a school bully, Farrington (1993).

Bullies are more likely to be rated by the teacher as hyperactive, low IQ or underachieveing, Lowenstein (1978).

Bullies tended to view family in terms of power relationships, (Bowers, Smith & Binney, 1992).

http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.w.adams/Education/bully.htm

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By age 24, up to sixty percent of people who are identified as childhood bullies have at least one criminal conviction. A study spanning 35 years by psychologist E. Eron at the University of Michigan found that children who were named by their school mates, at age eight, as the bullies of the school were often bullies throughout their lives. In this longitudinal study of bullies, many of these children, as adults, required more support from government agencies (Psychology Today, Sept. 1995). For example, these children later had more court convictions, more alcoholism, more antisocial personality disorders and used more of the mental health services than the other children. http://www.bullybeware.com/moreinfo.html#five

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On those who are bullied: (Olweus, 1993)

Being bullied during middle school is predictive of low self-esteem 10 years later.

By age 23, children who were bullied in middle school were more depressed and had lower self-esteem than their peers who had not been bullied.

They feel more isolated than their peers, who often reject them out of fear that they too will become a target of bullies if they are seen with targeted students.

This can lead to suicide.

Often leads to eventual violent retaliation by victims.

On the bullies themselves: (Olweus, 1994)

By age 23, about 60% of the boys identified as bullies in middle school had at least one conviction of a crime and 35% to 40% had three or more convictions.

50% of all identified school bullies became criminals as adults.

Bullies at age 8 are three times more likely to be convicted of a crime by age 30.

Bullies are less likely to finish college or locate a good job
http://weinholds.org/bullyshortlong.htm

Born Free · 06-05-2003, 03:10 PM

I was bullied at work when I was just 17. I was supposed to be learning a complicated machine but my so called trainer was hellish she had no patience and whilst she didn't beat me she called me names and slandered me to everyone. I was a quivering wreck in her presence which was everyday. It was not only tolerated there but expected more or less. You couldn't complain or your life would be worse, it just wasn't done in those days and we're talking 1984 not that long ago really. You had to try and grow a thick skin and get on with it.

It was a machine that folds paper. She would hand me the sheet and ask me which way I had to move the plate so that the print on the sheet matched up. If I didn't do it quick enough she would grab it out of my hands, call me something and throw things around.

Needless to say I didn't learn as well as I could have, I didn't have much in the way of confidence with this particular machine until much later. In contrast with another trainer on another machine I excelled and was easily the best there.

She was a bully as a kid at school, she was never really reprimanded for it and took her foul ways with her into adulthood. It has to be nipped in the bud in youth. Bullying doesn't just affect children and is often worse when you're an adult because of the embarrassment factor. It's not always easy to stand up for yourself, it's just not that simple.

echidna · 06-05-2003, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by scigirl
Um what is Big Brother? Do you mean Big Bros and Big Sis program? Or the Govt? Or something else? I'm confused

Sorry 'bout the confusion, I hadn't anticipated the other various interpretations. Yes, as LS & Elvithriel (I think) indicated, I meant this one ...

http://www.big-brother.nl/

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Loren Pechtel · 06-05-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by echidna
Sorry 'bout the confusion, I hadn't anticipated the other various interpretations. Yes, as LS & Elvithriel (I think) indicated, I meant this one ...

http://www.big-brother.nl/

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Note, however, that the name of the series comes from the book.

meritocrat · 06-06-2003, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by yelyos
How is it different from any other form of assault or derogatory insults?

A 'derogatory insult' does not have to harm anybody.

Misso · 06-06-2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by meritocrat
A 'derogatory insult' does not have to harm anybody.

Nonsense. This would only be true for masochists, and even with that it's debatable whether insults actually harm or not.

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"That which doesn't kill us, makes us stronger." ~Nietzsche.

As if Nietzsche was always right. Just because he said it doesn't make it true.

Bullying is wrong simply because it needlessly violates the other person.

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Elvithriel Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 127	Wrong big brother Loren.

06-05-2003, 03:10 PM	#36
Born Free Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,177	I was bullied at work when I was just 17. I was supposed to be learning a complicated machine but my so called trainer was hellish she had no patience and whilst she didn't beat me she called me names and slandered me to everyone. I was a quivering wreck in her presence which was everyday. It was not only tolerated there but expected more or less. You couldn't complain or your life would be worse, it just wasn't done in those days and we're talking 1984 not that long ago really. You had to try and grow a thick skin and get on with it. It was a machine that folds paper. She would hand me the sheet and ask me which way I had to move the plate so that the print on the sheet matched up. If I didn't do it quick enough she would grab it out of my hands, call me something and throw things around. Needless to say I didn't learn as well as I could have, I didn't have much in the way of confidence with this particular machine until much later. In contrast with another trainer on another machine I excelled and was easily the best there. She was a bully as a kid at school, she was never really reprimanded for it and took her foul ways with her into adulthood. It has to be nipped in the bud in youth. Bullying doesn't just affect children and is often worse when you're an adult because of the embarrassment factor. It's not always easy to stand up for yourself, it's just not that simple.

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