Ion

Why?

After 'God' allegedly in the Bible created everything, 'God' deemed the creation as being "...very good.".
See Genesis 1.31.

"The punishment is on mankind..." shouldn't have a coherent place in your religion, after "...very good." in the Genesis 1.31.

Make sure your religious claims are coherent.

Right?

post-it

Something that may feel great like having sex with a whore shouldn't result in any bad after effect. Something that tastes so good as candy and pie shouldn't result in any negative after effect. Killing someone shouldn't make us have guilt over it, after all animals kill without guilt.

I'm not sure how you explain these negative after effects, I call it punishment. I also call the desire to do that which we know will result in the negative after effect, punishment.

Why do you think man, knowing the negative after effects of certain acts will go ahead anyway and commit them? What is the unseen "draw" man has to these punishments/acts. Why can't we do what is in our best interest when we know better?

post-it

The verse of "Very Good" was used before the Fall. Make sure your verse claims are coherent and in order.

Philosoft

I never did understand that. Didn't they do anything good that we can all be rewarded for?

No, I wouldn't think that. And, I'll thank you to avoid the egregious evolutionary strawmen from now on.
My goodness. Is there anything God rewards us for other than believing in him despite what our senses tell us?

Ion

"...very good." deemed by an omnipotent, omniscient 'God' means that 'God' takes into account the subsequent Fall, and declares the 'God''s creation as being "...very good.".

I guess "...very good." with the Fall to come soon, and omniscient 'God' knowing about this subsequent Fall, that's a blunder by 'God'.

Have you considered Locki, instead of 'God'?

Me, I am not religious, so Locki doesn't matter to me, but since you are religious, give Locki a try.

Locki rocks, man!

post-it

Yes, we retained the ability to taste and enjoy food, enjoy family, the opposite sex, enjoy the arts, and existence in general especially if your rich. Life has its rewards, but comes with work and a little luck.


Any other demands you would like to limit me on so you can win an argument?

post-it

Just more proof that God suspended certain knowledge within himself in granting free-will to man.

Philosoft

Great! Do we get any of these things in the eternal afterlife, or is that just the possible punishment part?
Yeah, you can drop the phantom intellectual persecution routine.

Ion

On the contrary:
"...very good." on the first page of the Bible, followed by a cacophony of wrongdoings for hundreds of pages in the Bible, is proof of our ancestors concocting a faulty 'God'.

Give Locki a try.

post-it

I don't have a clue what the afterlife involves, I'm hoping it isn't singing to or worshiping God all the time. I'm wanting planet and star exploration for at least a few hundred years.