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Old 04-16-2003, 11:41 AM   #31
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Have you ever encountered Indian cooking ?
I hear you can harvest organs for bargain basement prices. One man's oil, is another man's organs.
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Now who said that ? And what connection does it have to what I'm saying ?
That last part was not directed at only you Gurdur, my bad. I was just wondering why it seems that so many are so quick to factor nukes into the equation. I say we have seen the end of nukes and refuse to accept the fear they instill. It still is primarily a defensive tool -even for agressors.

Overall I'm more worried about bio weapons these days.

The what if scenarios and speculative responses can go on forever. Once you dig into one semi-logical possibility you soon find out that it is just one clever insight out of hundreds.

The US and India are fine -stop worrying folks.
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Ever since India exploded the nuclear bomb USA had labeled her as a threat to regional stability.


You went nuke without any threats around that needed nuclear deterrence. That looks aggressive.
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Washington thinks it needs Pakistan. It doesn't need India. Therefore Washington might well be seriously tempted to make pre-emptive strikes against India's nuclear-delivery capacities if it looked like India might make a move on Pakistan.


What do we need Pakistan for? We want their cooperation with the Taliban hunt but if India marches in they'll hunt the Taliban anyway. War between Pakistan and India doesn't hurt us.

The only issue is the harm such a war would cause. The 7 or 8 figure death toll doesn't sit well with those who give a hoot about human life.
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i would hope to goodness that india's leaders know that an attack on pakistan would only increase islamist terrorism in the country. unlike the united states for whom international terrorism is a fairly new phenomenon, india has lived through numerous terrorist attacks including the bombay blasts in 93 which was probably the worst act urban terrorism till sept 10 2001.

then again, it might just be wishful thinking on my part to assume that india will exercise restraint, and that the usa will not use aggression in that part of the world....
If you take out the terrorist backers, though, the terrorism would drop. If it were a conventional battle India would probably be justified in going after Pakistan.
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I was just wondering why it seems that so many are so quick to factor nukes into the equation. I say we have seen the end of nukes and refuse to accept the fear they instill. It still is primarily a defensive tool -even for agressors.
i agree, and this is something i have been trying to say again and again on more than one thread here. the only reason for both india and pakistan got those nukes in the first place is to get the other to back off. it also sends a message to the rest of the world - 'i'm in the big boys club now, so its time to take me seriously'.

it's distressing though that so many countries race to acquire them, spending all that money for nothing really. and of course the danger with profileration is what happens if some crazy guy somewhere gets his hands on them and doesn't care abt the consequences. suicide bomber psychology...
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Washington thinks it needs Pakistan. It doesn't need India. Therefore Washington might well be seriously tempted to make pre-emptive strikes against India's nuclear-delivery capacities if it looked like India might make a move on Pakistan.
what about the fact that indians in america are the wealthiest ethnic group with a median income higher than than of white americans even? political contributions from the indian community are growing, and that is one thing that makes washington sit up and take notice.
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You went nuke without any threats around that needed nuclear deterrence. That looks aggressive.
You haven't even begun to tackle the issue of Pakistan.

Moreover, China was certainly felt to be a threat to India; after all, they've fought one war already-.
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That last part was not directed at only you Gurdur, my bad.
But it was directed partly at me ?

You still haven't explained the connections.
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I was just wondering why it seems that so many are so quick to factor nukes into the equation. I say we have seen the end of nukes and refuse to accept the fear they instill. It still is primarily a defensive tool -even for agressors.
How about actually tackling the points raised ? Again, you are simply not making statements connected to the discussion, or especially to anything I have said.
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...The US and India are fine -stop worrying folks.
If you wish to indulge in Pollyannaish or Panglossian sentiments, don't do it on my time.
You have not tackled the points, and you have provided nothing of substance in reply to me.

I guess I'll simply continue the conversation with others more interested in the actuality of the situation.
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