emotional

He is hidden from this natural plane, but His existence and personhood are clear to everyone in the astral planes. Everyone who passes into the afterlife knows God exists and that He is personal. You'll know it too when you get there.



Nonsense.

A drop of water, when it reaches the ocean, ceases to be individual - it dies a final death. It exists no more as an individual. It's just like the atheistic damnable doctrine of final death. What's the point of being an individual, if individuality is going to be snuffed out one day? Absolutely none. The purpose of life can't be to merge into a collective individuality any more than the purpose of building a palace is to blow it up with dynamite.

Individuals last forever, for God, the heavenly Father, keeps them alive. The creation and the Creator are ever distinct. Not by reason, nor by experience, but by faith do I perceive this.

Nowhere357

Did you make this up? Or can you support it?

Says you. What is nonsense, and WHY?

Incorrect. Transcendance is not a loss, it is a gain - a becoming. The inch is not lost when we gain the mile, and the second is not lost when we gain the hour. All boundaries are illusion so to speak.

See, now, I think you made this up.

emotional

I believe this, and no, I cannot support it, it is faith alone. It is real, but I cannot prove it.

You'll believe it when you get there.

haverbob

Of course you are Virginia,..."sweetie". If you are POSITIVE that you are right, then why are you wasting your time on this board? I wouldn't. I'll tell you one thing that I"M POSITIVE of. I'M POSITIVE about your DESPERATE NEED to be right. It's written all over your face. Also, I'll bet you would be happy to see me be wrong and suffer for it "in the end". Just an observation. No sense in taking this any further. Enjoy having the "CORRECT" nightmare my little emotional sleepwalker. Toodles

emotional

Time for you to grow up, idiot.

emotional

In olden days, faith was easy, for it was synonymous with reason and consonant with evidence. With a geocentric cosmos and special creation, it was reasonable to believe in a designer (God) and a purpose (the Afterlife). But now, with the advance of science, those assurances are melted like snow under the sun. All the arguments for God's existence have been refuted, and it is more reasonable not to believe in God and the Afterlife than to believe. Our times, therefore, call for pure faith, faith which is independent of reason and evidence. I believe in God and the Afterlife just because, without reason and without evidence. Not because it is reasonable, nor because there is compelling evidence, but because the alternative - that there is no God and that there is no Afterlife - is abhorrent to me.

haverbob

{quote]Time for you to grow up, idiot.[/quote]
Okay, I will. And when I do, I promise I'll build you a sandbox.

Come'on.... finish the sentence...you can do it. "because you NEED to" It's all over your forehead.

DING! DING! DING! Maybe this isn't as hopeless as I thought. Apparently you have gone to the bathroom and looked in the mirror in the last couple of hours. It shows (and I'm not talking about the toilet paper on your shoe).

Okay, so you NEED God. That's a start. Better than alot of people.

Must...resist...giving....body...slam !! Nope, I can't. I have to, but at least I can do something for your own good while I'm having a good time.

How would you like to REALLY love God? You might say "oh I do, with all my heart". I think not. You cannot REALLY love anyone (let alone God) if you NEED them. If you need that person or God, then you are destined to merely love the "fulfillment" of that "need". That is what you are loving, and it's obvious from what you said above. Sorry if nobody has ever told you so before, but you should be happy because you just lost an obstacle to loving God. Imagine going in front of God if nobody told you this, expecting your peice of the pie, your little reward for your sacrifices (all for you). I think God would give you a "humble pie", in the face, and you would have deserved it. But, no more!!! Be happy!!!

I'm not necessarily a big Moody Blues listener, but the lyrics in one of their songs fits this perfectly

"And when you stop and think about it,
you won't believe it's true,
that all the love you've been giving
has all been meant for you"

(or something like that)

Very nice job. Perhaps I won't build you a sandbox after all.

Oh, by the way, I loved your comment about me having an Eastern point of view. That's why I said you are not hearing me, you are hearing your opinions. I actually follow the Bible. Surprise!!!

Go back to the Bible and explain to yourself what the "dying to one's self" to be "born again" means. Doesn't sound like this individualistic notion that YOU have (or at least maybe you HAD). Go back and explain the "to follow Jesus you must hate your Father, Mother...."

emotional

haverbob,

If I wanted a psychoanalist, I'd ask for one.

I don't give a rat's arse about the Bible. My views are not based on the Bible (except perhaps some vague resemblance, such as the "in beginning God created" - but 15 billion years ago, not 6000 years as the damn book says). The Bible has a lot of abhorrent ideas in it, such as the majority of people destined to burn in hell for eternity ... I trust you don't follow that too?! And if the Bible talks about "dying to one's self", then I reject that. Our selves were not created in order to be cancelled. My views are from other sources, such as Spirit Teachings. I'm not interested in following Jesus and hating my parents. Jesus is a corpse, and I love my parents.

As for love of God, it is not important that you love God, it is much more important that you love other people. God doesn't need people's love. Besides, I have never seen God, I have never experienced Him, I only believe in His existence, so I can't love Him. Love of God will have to wait until the afterlife. The existence of God doesn't make a practical difference in my life; my life is much like the lives of the atheists here. All I ask of God - my sole petition, my only humble plea - is that He shall keep me alive after my material body dies. Staying a living, conscious self is all I want.

haverbob

Okay. Answer is: you don't particularly want to love God, you just want him to love you. Okay, at least that makes sense. I can accept everything you said except for:

Translation: God please love me by doing me a favor.

Concious self? For what?

I just never understood when people say this about staying alive after death. The pain that one goes through dying, isn't particularly pleasant. But who cares after that? I don't see why someone would want to have steak and beer forever I don't understand why an afterlife is going to help you in this life and why you therefore want one so desperately. That's a deep psychoanalytical question for yourself, I suppose, (although it appears you could care less). I don't need an answer for that and I won't ask you any more of those types of questions.

About the Bible. I can deal without it as well, I just like it. So sorry if the Bible was irrelevent, I was using it to point out that the stuff you thought was Eastern was actually Biblically based. That's all. Best of luck. I won't bother you anymore.

Nowhere357

Why does the caterpillar metamorphisize into a butterfly? Why does the infant want to crawl out of the crib? Why are the ants and the bees just cells in a hive and a colony?

Transcendance, maybe?