Alethias

No. Yugoslavia tried this. It didn't work. They also tried it in Rwanda. Didn't work there either.

The romans made segregation work though. They just conquered all their opponents. Ummm...but wait a minute. Didn't they take away the rights of self-determination?
Interesting, that.

IsItJustMe

Sure. But then the question is how is it going to be decided. Which group gets to decide. You have three choices here: Individual sovereignity, i.e. anarchy is one choice. It's entirely impractical. Absolute consensus is a second, but you will never get an absolute consensus even in a small town. Democracy is the third. But democracy is not simple. In democracy there are all kinds of complicated questions about where the borders need to be set, the protection of the minority, etc.

Northern Ireland is a perfect example of this. Before the British came, Ireland was divided into four kingdoms: Munster, Ulster, Leinster and Connaught. Each of these kingdoms was subdivided into eight counties. When Ireland got it's independence, the British held on to part of the island. This part is sometimes called Ulster, but it's not Ulster: It's six of the eight counties of Ulster.

Why did they do it that way? Because the whole of Ulster would have had a Catholic, and therefore pro-republic, majority.

OK. So maybe you think it's perfectly fair for those six counties to go their own way if they like. Only here is the catch: Two of those six counties have Catholic and pro-republican majorities, Fermanagh and Armagh, if I recall correctly. If it was left to those two counties, they would almost certainly join the republic.

So who drew the lines? They were drawn by the British crown according to what was of the greatest advantage to the British crown. But a majority of Ulsterites approve of this because that's how the borders are drawn.

Do you understand what I'm saying? This is not a simple matter.

What if they lived in the same country as everyone else, and they decided to declare that all the houses owned by people six feet tall would henceforth be separate? How about that? This stuff isn't taking place on the moon, but on the planet earth, and earthbound concerns come into it.

I think:

1. You are exaggerating the problem. Muslims are not going to be the majority in France anytime soon, and in any case most of them don't favor the shari'a.

2. You haven't said how this should work. If Muslims were to take over Paris, would this mean that non-Muslim Parisians have to either accept the veil or get out?

In short, you raise a potential problem and then do not explain how either your system or mine would apply to it. There's no analysis here.

You appear to be exaggerating enormously here. In any case, immigrants and children of immigrants are approximately one sixth of the Swedish population, close to what they were in the U.S. at the height of U.S. immigration.

http://www.willisms.com/archives/200...s_demogra.html

You're jumping at shadows.

No, no, no. Physical harm isn't broad enough. For instance, playing loud music all night so your neighbors can't sleep can't possibly be cool. Running a rendering plant in a quiet suburban neighborhood is surely out. Stealing someone's money can't be allowed, nor breaking contracts.

You mean doing harm. But doing harm is socially defined and the social definition of it changes over time. That's why the term is no longer used in U.S. legal circles: It's absolutely impossible to define.

I think that if someone turns you down for housing because you're white it's a shame and a wrong and you can and should sue them. But I just don't think that really happens very much. In a world where it did, my concern would be about that kind of discrimination. But my concern is for real problems, not hypothetical ones.

IsItJustMe

It had no go zones. That means that as a practical matter it was segregated. Otherwise how could there possibly be no go zones?

IsItJustMe

Oh, that's not true at all. No, no, no. In the old days, when people were segregated by neighborhood, there used to be neighborhood brawls all the time. This still happens in the segregated parts of New York: There are parts of New York City where if black people are seen walking down the street there's a real chance that some of the locals will jump them. And then there is crown heights, where if Jews go into the black area they need to be very careful, and to a certain extent vice versa.

But back in the day it wasn't just blacks and whites: It was Irish and Polish, Germans and Italians. You don't get that any more, and a real part of the reason is that ethnic neighborhoods are not so clearly defined.

Every race riot I ever heard of had it's start in a racially segregated area.

IsItJustMe

Thumper, the group hug is cute, but white nationalists aren't. I'm sorry, but if you're not aware of who your comrades are, you need to be told, and if you are, you need to stop covering for them.

Here is a good starting point for someone who wants to read about them. Anything from rotten.com should be taken with a grain of salt, it's true, but this set of articles is pretty much straight on, as some rotten stuff is, and it should appeal to the conspiracy theorist in you.

http://www.rotten.com/library/histor...m/elohim-city/

thumper

Doesn't this just make my case? We have the British gov't acting as social engineers, not allowing self determination. The result is ethnic violence in not only Nothern Ireland, but in Iraq as well, with the three main warring ethnic groups.



Private property is already an instrument of 'separateness'. I can't step into my neighbours house unless invited, and vice versa. It's not so radical, when you think about it.



And you say this based on what? Do yourself a favor and type in the word "Eurabia" into google, and just read the litany of articles that pop up.

When one ethnic group gets replaced with another, you can usually expect a changing of the guard. Just look at the English and Native Americans. :huh:

Yes, well we wouldn't have this problem in the first place if westerners weren't sold on the idea that something is inherently evil about self-determination, or discrimination. Otherwise, they would have taken control of their immigration policy. The first step is to acknowledge, that yes, white people deserve this too


Well, it came from the article. Perhaps one sixth represents the "new" generation. Like under 12 years or something.

I wouldn't sue them. I've been turned down for many thing in my life, but I'm mature enough to realize that it's not my perogative to control another person's preferences. And that I should only associate with people where the feeling was mutual

thumper

Look, it's getting a bit ridiculous how you keep dredging up Timothy McVeigh and cross burning, and other mental collages you might have, but I'm telling you what's what.

Would you like to start with the crimes of the multi-cultural fascists? How about the British government forcing the sunnis and shiites to live together? How about Yugoslavia? Northern India? South Central LA?

Why do you insist on forcing something onto people that they don't want :huh:

thumper

It was segregated by the minorities, who were hostile to the white majority.

jonesg

Just tagging onto the end of this thread.

Consider this, cabin pressure is lost on a flight, the oxygen masks drop down, a mother and baby are sat there.

The baby starts screaming, turning blue gasping for oxygen, made worse by screaming.

So is it selfish for the mother to make the baby wait until she gets her own mask in place?

The answer is no, the question is why.?

Its not a trick question,
it just demonstrates common sense and who has it.

RED DAVE

Just out of curiousity thumper, since you're a relatively young person, what books have you read that support your belief system and what people do you admire?

As an example, White nationalists would include such as: David Duke, Strom Thurmond, Theodore Bilbo, Adolph Hitler, Nathan Bedford Forrest and Ernst Zundel. On this board, you will find yourself more or less in agreement with Tornado Watch.

Books on White nationalism would include The Passing of the Great Race by Madison Grant, Imperium by Francis Parker Yockey and Mein Kampf.

I mean, who are your heroes and what do you read? In my opinion, thumper, you are in over your head, and you really don't understand the racist implications of what you believe. IsItJustMe has done an excellent job in trying to you where it's at.

RED DAVE