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Old 03-07-2003, 08:02 AM   #71
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He's a psychologist. He knows that children are extemely impressionable. Big Brothers and Big Sisters goal is to find good role models for children who do not have a father or mother actively involved in their life.

If the match the BB/BS sets up works, the child will look up to the person they have been matched with, and many children will think that their Big walks on water. They will want to be like him/her - to do what they do. That is the nature of role models.

And that is the point, Spurly, it really is just fine to be gay, it does not disqualify someone from serving as a role model for a child, and it will help that child to realize that heroes can come in all sexual preferences.

I notice that Spurly has not responded to any of my posts on this subject.

BTW, I am a mother of 3, and if I needed for any of my children to have a Big Sister, which I don't, I would request a non-Christian. I assume you support that compromise as well.

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Old 03-07-2003, 10:24 AM   #72
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Spurly, this is a genuine question and I am not trying to get at you. But what if your daughter turned out to be gay? Can you see how disapproving of homosexuality and trying to prevent her awareness of it could affect her self-image?
Spurly only HOPES that it will. Because the more scared she is of the repurcussions, and the more afraid she is of rejection from friends and family and GOD, then the less likely she is to embrace the EVIL, PERVERTED gay lifestyle.

Right spurly?

I imagine he would want her to hate herself, because her self hatred would help her turn back to GOD.

Well, at least that is what my parents thought, but, sad for them, it doesn't work like that.
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Old 03-07-2003, 11:03 AM   #73
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However the interests and concerns of the parent must be taken into consideration. The parent is the one responsible for the child's upbringing. I believe that is what I said in my post.
I believe the whole point of mentoring programs is to expose children to mentors and role models who differ from their parents in some way.

Now, that's not to say that said mentors need to be polar opposites of the parents, but they are intended to expose the child to a different perspective and different experiences than the parents are able to provide. If not for that, they'd be nothing more than babysitters.

Again, I understand that you equate homosexuality with all kinds of bad stuff, and you consider it dangerous to your child. That is your right. Nobody, to my knowledge, is trying to take that right away from you. But again, our personal choices necessarily limit the options available to us. We can't just bulldoze our way through life, insisting that everything change to suit our preferences.

I have never had a problem with my child being exposed to homosexuals. In fact, if it hadn't happened organically, I probably would have somehow sought out gay people to introduce him to, not just in the event that he turned out to be gay himself, but because shielding people from the world around them breeds xenophobia, and xenophobia breeds hate. That is how I chose to raise my child, according to my own principles, my own standards, and my own beliefs.

I'm going to ask again: Why is it that YOU feel that you have the right to apply preliminary filters to the options available to others? Why do you seem to think that your standards and perspective deserve to be codified any more than mine?
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However the interests and concerns of the parent must be taken into consideration. The parent is the one responsible for the child's upbringing. I believe that is what I said in my post.
Spurly, I know this thread concerns homosexuality, but your quote is one I'd like to use for arguing against the "under god" in the Pledge.

You see, I can't raise my children with a theistic outlook if I find that adherence to a religion, in my experience, tends to make for poorer decision-making.

Yet I send them to a PUBLIC school and they are given the message that to believe in god is better than to not believe. The predominantly "Christian" kids around them may be having loads more problems with their lives, but there's that underlying, unproven assumption, that the outlook of their parents' is still superior to mine when it come to religious beliefs.

You can believe what you want but make sure you're not imposing your unsubstantiated views on others where they don't belong. And please be sure that your children won't be imposing unnecessary pain on others with their narrow beliefs of proper sexuality.
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They don't want anyone who is going to have a negative influence on the child they are matched with. Thus people who are actively living a homosexual lifestyle are not the only people who BB/BS can/should screen out.
I suppose we should sceen anyone who is a potential parent then, also.

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For my children, or for children of most people who follow Christ, yes I reject the notion that people who are actively involved in a homosexual life-style can be a positive role-model.
Thank you for judging, God.

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However, if that were not the case, if he was living a life where he was actively involved in the homosexual lifestyle and did not want to exercise self-control, then we would ask him to step down as a teacher.
How can you prove he's <u>not</u> "actively involved in the homesexual lifestyle" and he truly does want to exercise self-control?

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...it's that my love for them and for the students would dictate that a different person teach the class.
If you loved the students you would trust them enough to make their own decisions instead of deciding for them.

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Not that I am afraid that you would molest her or that your sexuality would rub off on her, I just wouldn't want her exposed to homosexuality at that point in her life. Eventually, yes, she will have to hear about it and face it, but I would want to keep her as innocent as possible for as long as possible.
So what's the purpose of keeping her ignorant of natural processes if it's not your fear of one's sexuality to rub off on her?
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