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Old 08-21-2001, 01:15 PM   #21
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Good points. It's easy for us, I think, to romanticize about a religion that really doesn't affect american society all that much. My personal experiences with Buddhism have been positive-through my step mom and through my readings of the current Dalai Lama. I just really like his philosophy--Christian monks will often approach him and ask him for Buddhist training. He will tell them they don't need it--to be good Christian monks is enough. Of course, I'm sure not every buddhist is this tolerant.

We do give christians a bad rap, I suppose. But to me, even though there are good and bad buddhists and christians, the underlying philosophies of Thai buddism (the one I am most familiar with) and mainstream US christianity have some big differences. The former stresses personal meditation (what can I do to improve my life, and the latter stresses outward evangelism (what are these other people doing wrong?).

Just my observations,

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Thanks for the open comments Scigirl. I am very interested in how Christian doctrine is perceived by non-Christian's based on Christian's actions. America is surely a difficult place for this because so much of America identifies itself with Christianity. It is also difficult because the squeaky wheels always characterize the movement. Anyway, thanks for taking my comments lightly. There were not meant in anger or spitefully and you seem to have understood this. It is just my curious observation, that I've seen often, as to the gentle and open armed and one eye closed way that people approach Buddhism. In many ways Buddhism lends itself to this, however, I believe in the greater sense it is as Suzuki writes (which I have quoted above) that America, in its usual postmodern style, conveniently dispenses with that which it doesn't like. It is the cosmic salad bar religion of postmodernism. Pick and choose what you like and don't like, agree with and disagree with, and make your own incoherent worldview that should never need defending.

In regards to your original question, for what its worth, during my undergraduate work I found myself often thinking that if I ever found atheism compelling, I'd become a Buddhist.

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Old 08-21-2001, 10:18 PM   #22
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Thunder, I am sorry for misinterpreting your post. I am also sorry if I came off in a sounding rough around the edges. Please accept my apology.
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Old 08-22-2001, 04:24 AM   #23
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Can anyone name a Buddhist war? I can't and I've read quite a bit about Buddhist history. The Tokugawa regime in Japan definately persecuted the Christians and quite severely. I don't know that this was supported by the Buddhist clergy. It might have been, but the motive seems to have been more about driving out foreign influence than suppressing heretical views.

Of course, Tibetan Buddhists fought the Chinese to keep the Dalai Lama from being captured by the Chinese communists. But those are the only conflicts I'm aware of. What are the others? Sri Lanka? That's an ethnic conflict.

Asoka conquered northern India before his conversion to Buddhism. So what's left. I'd really like to know if anyone has any info on this.
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He abandoned his family to seek personal enlightenment and never returned. Should I continue? This is inane and banal babel. </STRONG>
Leaving your family to search for truth wasn't that bad in those days (As long as your family was provided for). It was fine for you to do this. Also, it wasn't like he was leaving them to fend for themselves or anything. They lived in a palace with servants, not a dump.
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Thanks. No problem. All's forgotten. Nice to meet you awake.


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Never returned? Not from what I've read. He returned after his enlightenment to convert his parents, his wife, and his son, Rahula.

Being from a wealthy and indulgent family, his responsibities were few, and this just fed his sense of alienation. The way I see it, he delayed his quest for enlightenment long enough to be sure he had produced a male heir, the only family responsibility left to him in those circumstances.
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