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seebs · 06-21-2002, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by trunks2k:
Yes fortunatly there are a very large number of christians that are not homphobic, and frankly the numbers of those people increase every day. It's just that the people that are against homosexuality are getting louder. I'm the treasurer for my university's Straight and Gay Alliance in Philadelphia, and we get the Philadelphia Gay news every week for free. I was looking through it one day and counted about 10 different Christian Churches advertising in it as "gay accepting" churches in Philadelphia alone. A couple of them were related to the more main branches of christianity.

They're getting louder for the same reason that some states passed laws to try to keep black people from holding real jobs; they were losing ground enough that they couldn't simply expect social pressure to support them. So... they're losing. YAY!

seebs · 06-21-2002, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Princess of Peace:

I do remember a babble study where someone was trying to go through the babble and prove that God didn't really hate gays. For example: God burned Sodom and Gemorrah not because they were gay, but because they committed the sin of being inhospitable to strangers. Just goes to show what people will twist the words to say in order to justify themselves.

I recommend that, before you dismiss such out of hand as "twisting", you investigate the question of where anyone would get the idea that the Sodom thing had a thing to do with gays. I've studied it at length, and I can't find it. Two prophets and the messiah are quoted as discussing Sodom and Gomorrah as bad places of inhospitality; none of those commentators mentioned the sex thing.

MadMordigan · 06-21-2002, 11:09 PM

Y'know, if two people read a book, and one of them finds something anti-human and disgusting, and another finds a message of love and compassion, I may not be able to tell which of them has read the book correctly, but I can tell which one I'd rather share a planet with.

Me too, I'd rather have the cynic. At least I know what he is thinking.

Panta Pei · 06-21-2002, 11:47 PM

"I recommend that, before you dismiss such out of hand as "twisting", you investigate the question of where anyone would get the idea that the Sodom thing had a thing to do with gays. I've studied it at length, and I can't find it. Two prophets and the messiah are quoted as discussing Sodom and Gomorrah as bad places of inhospitality; none of those commentators mentioned the sex thing. "

Damn good point seebs <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

seebs · 06-22-2002, 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by MadMordigan:
Y'know, if two people read a book, and one of them finds something anti-human and disgusting, and another finds a message of love and compassion, I may not be able to tell which of them has read the book correctly, but I can tell which one I'd rather share a planet with.

Me too, I'd rather have the cynic. At least I know what he is thinking.

Heh.

I wouldn't call finding hatred in everything "cynicism".

One of the last sane · 06-22-2002, 12:39 PM

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Y'know, if two people read a book, and one of them finds something anti-human and disgusting, and another finds a message of love and compassion, I may not be able to tell which of them has read the book correctly, but I can tell which one I'd rather share a planet with.

Me, I'd much rather share the planet with the first guy, because s/he is literate and has good reading comprehension.

Reading the bible is all the evidence I need that God, if he really existed, would be a mean, irrational old bastard who doesn't deserve to worshipped.

AspenMama · 06-24-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Oxidizing Material:

Oh, and to keep it in forum, I'm sorta sure that being gay counts as "secular lifestyle" because being gay is against the babble and therefore makes a homosexual a "heathen pagan child-molesting Satanic infidel."

I don't see being gay as a secular lifestyle subject in and of itself-- Many gay people have strongly held religious convictions. I don't see this thread as requesting support either. So I am moving this thread along to Misc. Religion.

Wizardry · 06-24-2002, 03:12 PM

Y'know, if two people read a book, and one of them finds something anti-human and disgusting, and another finds a message of love and compassion, I may not be able to tell which of them has read the book correctly, but I can tell which one I'd rather share a planet with.

What if the book is Mein Kampf?

Fastfalcon · 06-26-2002, 08:41 AM

I suppose then, I would go for the guy who finds hatred in Mein Kampf, but otherwise I would go for the one who sees love and compassion.

ishalon · 06-28-2002, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth:

"...look at all the homosexuals that molest young boys..."

[ June 21, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]

*cough*Catholics*cough*

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06-21-2002, 11:09 PM	#23
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	Y'know, if two people read a book, and one of them finds something anti-human and disgusting, and another finds a message of love and compassion, I may not be able to tell which of them has read the book correctly, but I can tell which one I'd rather share a planet with. Me too, I'd rather have the cynic. At least I know what he is thinking.

06-21-2002, 11:47 PM	#24
Panta Pei Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in the middle of things Posts: 722	"I recommend that, before you dismiss such out of hand as "twisting", you investigate the question of where anyone would get the idea that the Sodom thing had a thing to do with gays. I've studied it at length, and I can't find it. Two prophets and the messiah are quoted as discussing Sodom and Gomorrah as bad places of inhospitality; none of those commentators mentioned the sex thing. " Damn good point seebs <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

06-24-2002, 03:12 PM	#28
Wizardry Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 363	Y'know, if two people read a book, and one of them finds something anti-human and disgusting, and another finds a message of love and compassion, I may not be able to tell which of them has read the book correctly, but I can tell which one I'd rather share a planet with. What if the book is Mein Kampf?

06-26-2002, 08:41 AM	#29
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	I suppose then, I would go for the guy who finds hatred in Mein Kampf, but otherwise I would go for the one who sees love and compassion.

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