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01-14-2003, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Beyelzu
blondegoddess,

i do hope that eveything is ok with your husband. and i agree with the other posters who have said that darwin isnt necessary for atheism, or that its impossible to believe in both christianity and evolution.

Christianity is not a belief but a state of mind. An -ism is a belief and an -ity is a belief that has come to rest in understanding.

01-14-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Amergin

There are many different people who call themselves Christian. Some are merely nominal with superficial but never thoughtfully examined beliefs, some who are Christian because Ma and Da are Christian, some really believe in the Christian dogma of their sect and are devout in carrying out the rituals.

I was baptised Catholic. My mother was a Roman Catholic, but my father was atheist-agnostic (who would not discuss religion with me until I passed age 18). That was because he had to promise the Church that he would allow me to be "raised" in the Church.

I went to an Irish-Catholic parochial school taught by Irish nuns. The "catechism" was the outline of dogma for our beliefs. At school we had selected gospel stories that included the Annunciation, Nativity of Jesus, The ministry of Jesus, the passion, the arrest and crucifixion, death and resurrection, and ascention into heaven of Jesus. All standard dogma.

Amergin

Nice post Amergin. So you were Catholic and just left the church without any problems. I am much the same except that I never read the bible but still go to church sometimes.

beyelzu · 01-14-2003, 07:04 PM

you know amos, from your posts i was pretty sure you had never read your own holy book. glad you can admit it.

01-14-2003, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Beyelzu
you know amos, from your posts i was pretty sure you had never read your own holy book. glad you can admit it.

You know what Beyelzu? Where I come from it is held that you can't read somebody elses gospel until you can write your own.

Radorth · 01-14-2003, 10:06 PM

If you were truly a Christian BG, you can never not be one. You will notice, if you read many "atheist" testimonies, there was never much reality there, and often there were very bad examples of preaching without practice. We over-react to bad examples, and one could argue that for Madelyn Murray O'hare's son becoming a Christian perhaps. Personally I think it is a healthier thing to be cold, than to be lukewarm anyway.

Good luck.

Rad

Radorth · 01-14-2003, 10:10 PM

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You know what Beyelzu? Where I come from it is held that you can't read somebody elses gospel until you can write your own.

Heh. Well Amos, yours is certainly unique, I'll say that for it.

Rad

seebs · 01-14-2003, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by blondegoddess
Thank you. I checked out Leaving the Fold And Origin of Species yesterday. Leaving the Fold is actually quite a good book and I figured that for me to truly disbelieve in God, then I must be able to accept evolution. I will re-read that with an open mind and discern Darwin's work for myself.

I don't see why; I believe in God, and accept evolution, and there are people who don't believe in God *or* evolution.

Celsus · 01-15-2003, 12:14 AM

Hi Radorth,

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If you were truly a Christian BG, you can never not be one.

With all due respect, bullshit. There are plenty of people here who considered themselves True Christians (tm) once. Even so, I can safely say, if I ever become a Christian again, I'll never feel assurance of salvation, because what was once felt would be exactly the same. Praying, prophesying, Bible study, etc. was all part and parcel of a past life for me. But you've always insisted on logical fallacies to save your arguments, so it's probably not worth dwelling on.

Here is something I wrote as a Christian, for example. It was also completely reflective of me and my way of thinking at the time. Don't assume you have any right to speak for other people. Self-righteous Christians who think they have a right to insist on their version of the Truth (tm) are the worst kind. Especially when they use logical fallacy to support it.

Joel

01-15-2003, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Personally I think it is a healthier thing to be cold, than to be lukewarm anyway.

Good luck.

Rad

A good beginning is "to be counted among the wicked" instead of the righteous, as Jesus was. He also told Peter to tell noone that he was a Christian.

Malcolm · 01-15-2003, 07:22 AM

These are exactly the kind of statements that really annoy me:

from Amos:

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Could it be true that you never were a Christian and you were just fooling yourself?

and from Radorth:

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If you were truly a Christian BG, you can never not be one.

Not only do the Christians try to brainwash you when you are in the church, but when you finally grow up, start thinking for yourself and see the truth for what it is, they come up with these lame and offensive coments. The whole "faith" is built around fear and guilt, and now that you (well me, anyway) have broken free from it, they try to double the amount of guilt they pile on you!

Don't let them get away with it BG!

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01-14-2003, 07:04 PM	#73
beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	you know amos, from your posts i was pretty sure you had never read your own holy book. glad you can admit it.

01-14-2003, 10:06 PM	#75
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	If you were truly a Christian BG, you can never not be one. You will notice, if you read many "atheist" testimonies, there was never much reality there, and often there were very bad examples of preaching without practice. We over-react to bad examples, and one could argue that for Madelyn Murray O'hare's son becoming a Christian perhaps. Personally I think it is a healthier thing to be cold, than to be lukewarm anyway. Good luck. Rad

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