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Old 06-30-2003, 03:39 AM   #91
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Francis Parker Yockey wrote one really important work, Imperium, a major intellectual work of the Far Right. It is, as other posters have guessed, largely trash, full of errors, shallow thinking, and overwrought Germanic historical nonsense. I have a copy at home, and when I get there tomorrow I'll put up some choice excerpts here. I urge everyone who has the chance to read it, for it is largely unknown, but highly influential.
Yockey wrote Imperium under a pseudonym and dedicated it to "the hero of the Second World War" (ie, Hitler). For those of us we are unlikely to get around to reading it, there's a relatively detailed review here and apparently Yockey's (much shorter) The Proclamation of London summarizes Imperium's main concepts quite well.
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Old 06-30-2003, 03:39 AM   #92
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I think you should get your facts straight.
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The Tasmanian aboriginals were not wiped out. It came extremely close to being a complete genocide but not quite.
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Mea culpa. I should have said "full blooded Tasmanian Aborigines."

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An aboriginal doesn't have to be a full-caste to be aboriginal.
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Also Tasmania does have a Native Title Act
A Native Title Act they may have; specific Native Title legislation they do not. Remember, my original comment was "Consequently, the Tasmanian government is now the only state government in Australia which has not enacted any native title legislation."

And I am right about this, unless the aboriginals at this site are lying to me.

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  • The movement for land rights has been a major focus of Aboriginal political agitation across Australia for many years. Aboriginal people in Tasmania have participated in this struggle, and presented an Aboriginal Land Claim to the State Parliament in 1977.

    This asked for a number of places to be returned to Aboriginal control, including all sacred sites, Wybalenna, Oyster Cove, all the Muttonbirding islands, and Cape Grim - the site of the massacre in 1830.

    The State Government elected in July 1989 was working towards the Grant of certain areas of land identified as having historical, spiritual, cultural or ecomonic significance to Tasmania's Aboriginal community.

    If legislated, an Aborigoinal Land Rights Bill would have transferred 53 000 hectares to a Tasmanian Aboriginal Land Council which would have held the land on behalf of the whole community. The 35 000 hectare Cape Barren Island would have been the largest area transferred.

    In July 1991, however, the land Rights Bill was rejected in the upper house of State Parliament. Since then, the new Tasmanian Government has indicated that the bill will not be reintroduced.

    In response to the defeat of the bill, Aboriginal people occupied Wybalenna on Flinders island. Part of Rocky Cape National Park had been occupied a few months earlier.

    Tasmania is the only State in Australia not to have enacted some form of Aboriginal land rights legislation.

    Taken from "Aboriginal People of Tasmania"

    © Commonwealth of Australia
So, are they they telling the truth or are they lying through their teeth? I guess I trusted them because they're aboriginals and I assumed they would know what they're talking about.

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Old 06-30-2003, 04:09 AM   #93
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The people at that site seem to be using old sources

From an ATSIC site (dated 2001)


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In 1995, after many years of struggle, Aboriginal Tasmanians achieved land rights when the Groom Liberal Government returned 12 parcels of land, including five mutton-bird islands, and a small section of a sixth island. In 1999 Wybalenna on Flinders Island was returned, and further land transfers are currently blocked in the State’s upper house. The vesting of title in ALCT has, however, been a source of frustration with some local communities who see the land handed over as theirs from long association
http://www.atsic.gov.au/news_room/at...01/Walking.asp

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Return of land parcels

The Tasmanian Aboriginal community continues a long and often painful political struggle to secure the return of its traditional lands. In 1995, the Tasmanian Government returned title to twelve parcels of land across the state. The return of title to Wybalenna was not finalised until 1999.

The parcels of land were returned in recognition of the deep cultural and spiritual connections that Tasmanian Aboriginal people have with these areas. The presence of Aboriginal sites, cultural significance and the links to an often turbulent and painful Aboriginal history determined the importance of the land. The return of these areas was a milestone event in Tasmanian history.

The areas of land returned to the Tasmanian Aboriginal community were:

· Preminghana (Mt Cameron West)
· Putalina (Oyster Cove)
· Risdon Cove
· Badger Island
· Great (Big) Dog Island
· Mt. Chappell Island
· Steep Island
· Wombat Point (on Cape Barren Island)
· Kuti Kina Cave
· Ballawinne Cave
· Wargata Mina Cave
· Wybalenna (on Flinders Island)
· Babel Island
http://www.launceston.tco.asn.au/recon/panels.htm

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So, are they they telling the truth or are they lying through their teeth? I guess I trusted them because they're aboriginals and I assumed they would know what they're talking about.
I think they are misinformed - I have not said they were lying. Maybe you should have checked more sites as details are not that difficult to find.
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Old 06-30-2003, 04:14 AM   #94
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The people at that site seem to be using old sources
Well, well. I would have expected them to be a little more responsible, but I guess they find it easier to ignore the evidence when it doesn't suit their agenda.

Thanks for the information.
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Of course the holocaust never happened. I am sure there is an attic in Amsterdam with 6 million jews still in hiding.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

for you deniers. send me your PayPal address. I'l send you a quarter, then you can go buy a clue.

Of course I am guessing that most of those who deny the terrabytes of evidence for the holocaust have no trouble believing in the undeniable truth of their Bibles which lack one iota of evidence. . Talk about willful ignorance.
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Old 06-30-2003, 07:23 AM   #96
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Your examples do not contradict TomboyMom's statment that gentiles have, for centuries, been discriminating against and murdering Jews.

Not to mention that the events of the Bible are highly suspect historically to start with.
I never meant to contradict that point. People have for centuries condemned the Jews. Im contradicting the no retaliation part, which is quite a tale.

Of course the Bible is highly suspect, so is any source, but I'd suspect, when the Israels slaughter a group of people, while the miracle may not have happened, I don't doubt that Israel at one point or another went on the offense and sacked a city.

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What the hell are you talking about?
Any BTW, because it's in the bible makes you think it's true?
I'm talking about how your people are persecuted and "never" fought back, or so you claim.

Please don't ask a loaded question. Of course I don't think its 100% true, but I don't doubt that Israel has at one time or another slaughtered people as described in the Bible. The blowing of horns with crashing city walls, etc may not have happened, BUT that doesn't mean it can have some historical truth behind it.



Also, so both of you don't flame me for being a holocaust denier, I DON'T dispute that the Jews have been persecuted(including the holocaust, pogroms, etc), but I DO dispute that the Jews have never fought back.
 
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Of course I am guessing that most of those who deny the terrabytes of evidence for the holocaust have no trouble believing in the undeniable truth of their Bibles which lack one iota of evidence.
I see no reason to make such a logical leap.

In fact, Holocaust affirmation and Christianity go hand in hand.
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but I DO dispute that the Jews have never fought back.
I don't know of anyone who claims that the Jews have never fought back.

You don't need to look further than Leon Uris to learn that they have.
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Old 06-30-2003, 08:27 AM   #99
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believing in the undeniable truth of their Bibles which lack one iota of evidence
tell that to historians...

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In fact, Holocaust affirmation and Christianity go hand in hand.
I think you mean Nazi's and the holocaust go hand in hand, the bible doesnt tell its followers to kill jews.
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I see no reason to make such a logical leap.

In fact, Holocaust affirmation and Christianity go hand in hand.
I don't find it a leap. I think if you look into the "deniers" you will find the generally espouse a virulent form of Xtianity. a lot of that "Sword of the Lord" crap.
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