River

banditry?

What now you are paying tribute to the Patt Robertson 700 Club!!!


based on some accounts Aisha was much older. However, why use modern definitions of law and impose it upon a much older society. This is not a normative procedure.


and about the killing....How about you read what some former Jews who converted to Islam have to say about this...
http://www.jews-for-allah.org/jewish..._notkilled.htm

I am totally wrong. You reek of jelousy. You will never even be one millionth of a man that Jesus/Muhammad were....

anonymite

Call this ad hominem, if you want, but I think this article is a pretty decent example of religious propaganda and needs to be trashed as such. So here we go (bolding mine):

As others have pointed out, Kalki isn't supposed to be a messenger, but God his/her/it/self come down on the earth to end the current cycle of existence so the next can begin. Certainly not someone's whose presence would go unnoticed (or survived) by humanity prior to this article...

India is a nation of 1 billion people, many of who are geographically isolated. Basically, nothing of this sort really happens all over India. This is just trying to lend credibility to the rest of this propaganda by saying it's having a dramatic effect on a populace. You'd think I'd at least have read an article about something of this magnitude.

*Important* so you should listen... If you're going to give credentials, be specific. Otherwise, what's the use of describing his credibility with empty words like this?

Well known but not worth writing about. Again, why mention this and leave it unverifiable? Did the author just not have time to present actual facts?

Just pointing out the same kind of stuff...

Again, Kalki isn't a prophet because Kalki isn't foretelling anything. Not really sure why the author wants people to embrace kalki. Kalki is portrayed in hiduism as the last avatar of Vishnu, but among his avatars, Krishna and Ram are the more celebrated and certainly the more visible. Kalki gets about as much mention as the second coming of Christ, who as others have said, is the better comparison (though still not a great one).

You could call this superficially true, but even that is misleading. For one, Vishnu is the name of the preserver god in the hindu trimurti. Allah has no name.

The rest, I won't comment on because I'm far from an expert on the puranas or the quran. I will point out that I have a nagging doubt about the factual truth of the given descriptions of Kalki. Remembering that Kalki is an avatar of Vishnu in hindu mythology, and that the author himself defined Vishnu as Allah, we can conclude Kalki was Allah, by his claims. Why would Allah needed to be taught anything? Why would a person who is muslim, as this guy obviously is, try to convince hindus using their mythology that Kalki was Muhammed, when the same mythology specifies that Kalki was in fact Vishnu (who the author equates with Allah). Why buy one but not the other?

Anyway, this concludes my important rant. I'll submit it to some well known people and I'm sure it'll raise a cry all over India.

lugotorix

No, Pat Robertson makes as little sense as you do. He's just selling a different brand of snake oil.
I'm sorry, that doesn't cut it with me. If you're claiming that someone is the highest example of humanity ever, he shouldn't have a predilection for fondling pre-teen girls (like some stories in the Hadith say he did). If you're listing the personality traits of a holy person, child molester should not appear on the list.
So you believe some thirty-year-old paper over the stories in the Hadith?
Dear, dear, how will I sleep at night...

lugotorix

Seraphim

I personally don't think so because too many contradictions. I had faced this topic before (about 3 times if not mistaken) in another forum. The reason why I think Muhammad is not Kalki is this :

1. Vishnu told that His last incarnation - Kalki is to bring destruction to Earth/Humanity. Like Hinduwoman said ... it has been 1,400 years since Muhammad came and went ... and Humanity STILL here.

2. Vishnu always ADD new teachings to His old ones in Hindusm by correcting mistaken of humans who misinterpreted His words. He doesn't ERASE all teachings by INTRODUCING new teachings like what Muhammad did with Islam.

3. Vishnu is a more peaceful God/Diety ... so WHY did He thought Muhammad subdue His enemies/spread His words by sword?

4. ONLY place in scriptures in Hindusm that mentioned Kalki was in Bhagavad Gita (at least that's where I first heard about him). How is it that this Pundit could make a mistake in saying that Kalki is mentioned in Vedas. If I'm not mistaken, Vedas were nothing more than hymns and mantras and others things like that, there was not mentioning of prophecies in there.

5. Hindusm doesn't deal with prophecies and prophets before ... why suddenly change with Muhammad?

There is too many questions when dealing with Muhammad is Kalki business and all of it pointing that Muhammad IS NOT Kalki but Islam is a separate religion/cult by its own.

hinduwoman

If the book did raise a hue and cry all over India, it must have been a silent one. Before stumbling on it on the internet I have never heard of it, and neither has anyone else.

As I told Rivers in yet another thread on this same topic:

REFERENCES, REFERENCES, REFERENCES

Seraphim

By hinduwoman

If the book did raise a hue and cry all over India, it must have been a silent one. Before stumbling on it on the internet I have never heard of it, and neither has anyone else.

As I told Rivers in yet another thread on this same topic:

REFERENCES, REFERENCES, REFERENCES

My reply : O_o

Someone actually going to make a BOOK out of this crap?

As for hearing about it, I have not heard about it either except from some individuals who used such articles (from that Pundit) to argue that Islam was better than other religion (in this case Hindusm and Buddhism) and people of India should embrace Islam rather than oppose it (I heard that there is only about 1% growth of Muslims in India).

River

I am currently on hiatus ....I will respond to y'allz laters.

River

I might possibly have been wrong......I have done some additive research and I've discovered that the Kalki Avatar might not have been Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)...However, the Kalki Avatar fits the character known as Imam Mahdi , even more closely. Imam Mahdi is the great Islamic leader and "The Rightly Guided One" who will assist Caliph Jesus Christ in restoring Islam as the official religion on Planet Earth.


P.S I have not combatted anything that Hinduwomen has said {recently}...She seems to confirm everything I've said at a slightly different level...However the main problem lies in the interpretation of the word "manifestation".