Me and Me

I didn't know that Venezuela had a socialist economy. I know that their leaders are independant and don't listen to the U.S. or any other country that likes to be the bully. As for their economic structure, I don't know exactly how it is structured.

I thought everybody believes that the system they support works.


Me and Me

David M. Payne

JM/MJ, is that you?

David

"God, Marx, and religion, the oldest scam in history, and it still sucks them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!

hal9000

Boy, you remind me of JM.

Me and Me

Uh ???

moon

Don't get too upset at the ravings of the anti-communist fanatic bloc on this board. The reason they throw around blanket statements like "every Marxist system ever tried has resulted in an authoritarian system", blah, blah, blah, is because of one of two reasons. Either (a) they are ignorant, or (b) they cannot defend their position.

They basically just repeat the standard shiboleths of capitalism. Yet, when you confront them on an issue, such as the U.S. attacking democratic Nicaragua, or undermining the 1956 elections in Vietnam, or the fact that Russia in the 1930's experienced the greatest economic expansion of any country in history, and so on, they are left sputtering, like a vacuum cleaner that has just sucked up a nail. Then they fall back on tired, worn out cliches that have no bearing on the actual points raised, such as the Berlin Wall. *yawn*

Me and Me

LMAO Moon

beyelzu

Yeah, the communist bloc on this board just talks the same old proletariat this and captalists are evil that propaganda. They dont actually bother to respond to posts or make a point by point rebuttal.

Ps moon, bitching about capitalism does not actually show that communism is better.

whats your argument?

america is evil and even though we have a really high standard of living lets get rid of all the capitalist crap so we can starve.


does that actually make sense to you?

ps. the fact that communism has never worked is pretty damning evidence.

hal9000

Or (C) They have resulted in an authoritarian system.
More interesting is the use by moon of the type of arguments that the fundies use to deflect the arguments on the existence of god and the authoritarian dogma of religion. Deny reality or change the subject. It looks like the people who support capitalism here such as enchidna made pretty good arguments on the value of capitalism. The issue isn't the failures of capitalism on this thread moon, it's the failure of communism to ever work. Don't change the subject, provide an example of a functioning communist nation today. Well, it's late, *yawn* got to get up early and go to work, have fun.

David M. Payne

Goodnight Hal. Nice post, well said.

David

"God, Marx, and religion, the oldest scam(s) in history, and they still suck them in today. So free your mind, and your body will follow!

moon

Really? So, say, Nicaragua under the Sandinistas was authoritarian? Or Revolutionary Cuba? Or Bishop's Grenada? Or Vietnam?

Perhaps, instead of simply repeating what you have been taught, you might like to provide an argument or some evidence for your assertions. You might try defining what you mean by "authoritarian" to start off, and why authoritarian capitalist regimes, like Nazi Germany, or Indonesia, or Guatemala, are not indicative of some inherent flaw in capitalism.

And, let me repeat:

Most of the world is capitalist. Most of the population of the world lives in soul-crushing misery.