TheDiddleyMan

Well, here's what answers in genesis had to say about the passing of Gould:

Leading evolutionist is dead
21 May 2002

Stephen Jay Gould, 60, perhaps the leading advocate of evolution in the world today, died Monday afternoon after a long bout with cancer. Dr Gould, author of many popular books and a sharp-witted professor of biology at Harvard University, appears on AiG’s Who’s Who of Evolutionists.

He is best known among creationists for his controversial theory of ‘punctuated equilibrium,’ which acknowledges that the fossil record is characterized not by gradual changes, but by stasis (staying the same) and sudden appearance or disappearance. This of course fits with the predictions of a Creation/Flood view of the fossil record.

A well-known humanist and atheist, Gould was greatly annoyed to see his frank admissions about the true nature of the fossil record used to support Biblical Creation. He devoted a great deal of effort to opposing the creation movement, including in legal/political battles about public school teaching.


They are still using "punk-eek" to support their views.....

lpetrich

There are many essentially secular US right-wingers, who include admitted agnostics and atheists, though many of them seem to be pro-capitalist libertarians more than anything else. But they seem reluctant to publicly state their beliefs or stand up for non-religion, for whatever reason.

A borderline case is that of many right-wingers whose idea of religion seems to be to worship the official gods, whatever they may be; another one is those for whom religion is not a very high priority.

However, many US right-wingers take a "no enemies on the right" stance, which means looking the other way at the fundies, as if they expect to be spared by fundie theocrats. But judging from the history of such alliances, one must expect otherwise.

hezekiah jones

Yes he sure did, and he helped kick their sorry creationist asses in McLean v. Arkansas, during which Duane Gish, unlike Gould, was too chicken to testify.

bluefugue

No it doesn't... if it fits with any "creation" scenario, it would be one of multiple creations, which is not recorded in the Bible. And by agreeing with Gould's perception of the way the fossil record is laid out, are they tacitly admitting that the geological column does in fact exist and is ordered as mainstream geologists claim?

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mr curtis

I'd like to see this backed up.

mr curtis

Actually, there are a great many of us NOT wetting our pants, drooling, or happy in ANY way about this news. Any true christian glad about any death has some issues.


Edited to say...There are times when we can celebrate death. Like a very sick friend's passing, or a granparent, or something like that. But I don't believe we (christians) should be happy that this man died.

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Calvinist Dude

Agreed, Mr. Curtis. As a Christian, I would be personally disgusted at the antics of anyone claiming the name of Christ and being pleased at the death of any individual or using it as an opportunity to mock that person.

As for SJG's death, I am personally very saddened. I would agree with most everyone here that he was a great scientist. Although I certainly did not agree with his agnostic views, I believe that he sincerely wanted to guard science from pseudoscientific, YEC nonsense, and on that count I think he succeeded tremendously.

lpetrich

(Jesus Christ as a flat-earther...)

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory;

Luke 4:5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

(NASB)

Now where was that mountain?

And how would getting this view be geometrically possible except if the Earth was flat?

To see the Roman Empire, India, and China at the same time would require being atop a mountain in European Russia about 2000 km tall. But no such mountain is known to exist.

Blinn

Yep, that's what they're doing at the <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000222" target="_blank">Baptist Board</a>. They truly are delusional.

Edited to add:

I've never spent any time at the BB as some others on this forum have, but I've read about this Helen character here. She wrote on the BB:

TRULY DELUSIONAL.

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Bialar Crais

Well, why d'you think I qualified my statement like that? To not include those who don't lower themselves to the levels of certain other individuals *coughcoughbaptistboardcoughfreeperscoughcough*.

Agree. Seeing a friend or a relative (damn, any beeing really) suffer prolonged agonies is terrible. Sometimes death is preferable.

Nope, and my (admittedly written in anger and haste) note was meant to include only those whos' sole response was mad glee.