HelenM

It's a shame you weren't at church with me yesterday, diana

You would have loved the song whose words were (more or less):

"We're not proud...we say out loud...we choose to bow only to You!"

love
Helen

Aquila ka Hecate

luvluv:
I'm interested-you know the details of heaven's design??

Actually, I think it isa form of refutation.
How much more of a sign of a Great Omnipotent Creator would it be, if the earth were designed to be perfect in every way,and we still chose to love our maker??

Synaesthesia

The very point of evolution is to explain the highly optimized state of biological systems. Simply because you are too limited to imagine it does not mean the universe cannot evolve it. Please, do not rely so on arguments from lack of imagination.

May God forgive himself for his overweening cruelty.

Aquila ka Hecate

diana:
<img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

I needed that!!

diana

Synesthaesia:

Simply because you are too limited to imagine it does not mean the universe cannot evolve it.

By the same token, simply because you are too limited to imagine God does not mean He does not exist. Right?

Please, do not rely so on arguments from lack of imagination.

Right back at you.

(Thanks, Aquila. )

d,
(who is finding all this oddly educational)

diana

Ryanfire:
You do know.. through science, we'll be able to change our lifespan, if not make ourselves immortal in a health sense. What do you think about that? Humans aren't as weak as you make them out to be.

Are you omniscient now? Or is this faith I see before me? How else can you say we'll be able to make ourselves "immortal"?

Can you explain why we have discovered the human dna sequence?

Through God's will. The more we doubt, the more peeks we're given of His immense complexity and power. Science may give you something else to put your faith in, but for me, it simply opens the doors to an even greater world of God's wonders that, without science, I'd have never been able to appreciate. Praise His name!

Because god wants us to what? how does god play a role in this? What's the purpose of healing ourselves if in death we go to a "god"?

It is not my place to say what God wants. I can only guess His design, as He was wise enough to set his purposes beyond my understanding--it is only wise of me to accept my place in His creation. I can only guess that God wants us to never forget how wonderful and strange is the world He gave us. The purpose of healing is to demonstrate the everpresent mercy of God, and to give ourselves and others every chance to turn from our wicked ways and live for Him.

Why do some people die such a horrible death such as cancer? Should you really go through that much torture?

Only through human suffering can we even begin to understand and appreciate the agony that Jesus went through on the Cross for us.

Let me tell you, it's nothing done out of a "god's" love.

I think you're missing the bigger picture. If you do not personally experience pain and loss, you will never be able to appreciate the good things that await you for serving Him. God allows us to suffer so our reward in The Hereafter will have meaning to us.

Death is something we don't have to fear, but it is something that we can prevent. Us humans are good at fixing things, and quite resourceful.

We can prevent death? Wow. I'm sure you wouldn't mind supplying some references from medical journals to support this ridiculous assertion?

Until then, I'll just keep

Believing in Him Who Made Me,

d

HelenM

Originally posted by diana:

Why do some people die such a horrible death such as cancer? Should you really go through that much torture?

Only through human suffering can we even begin to understand and appreciate the agony that Jesus went through on the Cross for us.

Hi diana

Hmmmm...I think it's the other way around. That because Jesus was tempted/tested in every way as we are, He can understand what we're going through.

Also, how can we think we would not suffer, if even God's own beloved Son had to suffer and die?

Also, James 1 - our trials make us mature and complete.

Also, Romans 8:28 - somehow all things work together for good to those who love God.

We live in a world cursed by sin and it affects us all.

etc

But - I've never heard that suffering is so we could appreciate what Jesus went through on our behalf...is that what you learned at church/home, diana?

love
Helen

MadMordigan

Prostrate Before Him,

Shouldn't this be 'Prostrate behind Him'?

John Page

Versace

diana

Hi, Helen!

Hmmmm...I think it's the other way around. That because Jesus was tempted/tested in every way as we are, He can understand what we're going through.

Also, how can we think we would not suffer, if even God's own beloved Son had to suffer and die?

You note, of course, that your points 1 and 2 almost argue their own circle. (Jesus was tested to understand--first hand, of course--what we endure, and we endure these things because we aren't any better than Him....)

But - I've never heard that suffering is so we could appreciate what Jesus went through on our behalf...is that what you learned at church/home, diana?

No. I was always taught that Jesus went through that for us, but I was just tossing out ideas. I don't purport to know His mind, after all.

But a worm in His sight (and proud of it),

d