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Loren Pechtel · 04-23-2003, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by hinduwoman
Unfortunately, in the real world, how can you stop someone totally dedicated to destroying you because he thinks he is guided by God?

Bhosle's contention is why is it that when Hindus riot the antecedents of riots are never probed? She is pointing out that Muslims started in a small way by stabbings and stone throwings, but somehow that was never counted as 'riots'.

As I said, it's a situation with no good solution. Once Pakistan got the bomb they stepped up their attacks because they knew you couldn't retaliate anymore.

You're stuck in basically the same boat Israel is.

PsycheDelia · 04-24-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by hinduwoman
Bhosle's contention is why is it that when Hindus riot the antecedents of riots are never probed? She is pointing out that Muslims started in a small way by stabbings and stone throwings, but somehow that was never counted as 'riots'.

Perhaps you should read the originalreport of the srikrishna commission before you take varsha bhosle's interpretation of it as gospel truth. it is written in very clear english, and does not hesitate to call muslim actions at that time 'riots', or refer to them as 'violent' or 'mobs'.

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In the jurisdiction of Deonar, there was a sharp counter reaction by Muslims who stoned the house of a local Bharatiya Janata Party leader. The situation was getting uglier with attacks on Hindu temples in this area. Efforts of the police to control the situation brought forth forceful violent reaction from Muslims against them. Large scale firing resulted, which perhaps justified to quell the violent riots, was construed as an unwarranted act of suppression by police of what the violent Muslim elements thought was their legitimate protest.
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From 7th December 1992 onwards there was a qualitative transformation in the situation. Large mobs of Muslims came on the streets and there was recourse taken to violence without doubt. This time the Muslim mobs appear to have come out with the intention of mounting violent attacks as noticed from their preparedness with weapons of offence. There were violent attacks on the policemen in Muslim dominated areas like Bhendi Bazar and its vicinity. The jurisdictional areas affected were mostly Muslim dominated or mixed localities in which the misguided and irresponsible Hindu youths aggravated the situation by engaging the rioting Muslims, leading to a situation where the police found it difficult to restrain both sections; when the police did it by force, the police came to be attacked by both Hindu and Muslim mobs.

please note, at this point he is calling the the hindu miscreants 'misguided and irresponsible' not 'violent mobs'.

didn't want to get dragged back into this discussion, but i did feel compelled to point out that you were not exactly quoting the facts but rather a very biased opinion piece. please, check your facts the next time you make a statement, and for the sake of democracy in india, question every source. there is no point in us complaining about the misguided americans who believe everything the media tells them, when we in other parts of the world do exactly the same thing.

peace...

hinduwoman · 04-27-2003, 07:18 PM

If Srikrishna Commission itself argued that muslim riots begun the whole thing, why is there such a fuss anbout evil Hindus crushing muslim minorities? I am sick of hearing these things.

As for war, well everyday ,more and more people are killed by militants. What good is our peace serving them? Above all, do we have the right to ask them to die for the sake of our moral ideals, when WE are not the ones having to live with daily death?

PsycheDelia · 04-27-2003, 09:56 PM

hinduwoman,

too many beers, too many gloriously happy events today and a renewed resolve to proceed with a pessimism of the intellect and an optimism of the will... i am in no mood to argue infinitesimal details with you tonight, or perhaps any other night. not this topic at least.

an eye for an eye is not justice.

once again, i wish you peace.... (whether you believe in it or not)

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04-27-2003, 07:18 PM	#63
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	If Srikrishna Commission itself argued that muslim riots begun the whole thing, why is there such a fuss anbout evil Hindus crushing muslim minorities? I am sick of hearing these things. As for war, well everyday ,more and more people are killed by militants. What good is our peace serving them? Above all, do we have the right to ask them to die for the sake of our moral ideals, when WE are not the ones having to live with daily death?

04-27-2003, 09:56 PM	#64
PsycheDelia Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the point at which two worlds collide Posts: 282	hinduwoman, too many beers, too many gloriously happy events today and a renewed resolve to proceed with a pessimism of the intellect and an optimism of the will... i am in no mood to argue infinitesimal details with you tonight, or perhaps any other night. not this topic at least. an eye for an eye is not justice. once again, i wish you peace.... (whether you believe in it or not)

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