Godless Dave

That's a common perception? I don't know anyone who thinks that. There may be some people who hold that misperception, but not very many IMHO.

K

How could anyone believe science had found all the answers when there are still so many scientists around?

Kosh

Should we apply the same question to Theologians?

MarcoPolo

Oh I see. So if it's not one extreme it must be the other. Great powers of reasoning you have there.

NOGO

All we need to do is to compare.
Give me a list of all issues which religion has found answers to.
Please only give items for which all religions agree. There is no point dealing with issues which are still in contention.
I will make a list for science.

Automaton

An out-right lie. First of all, atheism is not a worldview. It is simply a- theism, or the lack of belief in deity. This may or may not entail an affirmation of the nonexistence of deity.
Second lie. There is no such thing as "traditional atheism", and even if there was, it need not take a position on the actual nonexistence of a deity.
Of course it is, unless you consider your nonbelief in Thor and Ra to be irrational.
A lie, repeated, is still a lie.
Misdirection. The question is not whether or not atheists feel strongly that their belief or lack thereof is true, but whether or not strong atheism is rational.
Wow, so much Christian stupidity to dissect, so little time.

Conversely, to confirm that your God is indeed omniscient and not just semiscient, one would have to be omniscient (or omnipotent) themselves. Therefore it is theism that is logically inconsistent, by your own standards.

You are just pleading a special case for God in terms of empirical justification. Noone can ever be 100% sure of anything, but what we do have is the evidence available to us as humans. It's irrelevent that one would have to be omniscient to know with 100% certainty that no God exists, because one would have to be omniscient to know with 100% certainty anything. With the facts available to us, it is safe to say that there is no such thing as a fairy king in the sky who watches everything you do. To actually demonstrate that strong atheism is irrational, you would have to actually dispute the facts available or subsequent induction/deduction from these, which you are obviously unable to do.

Finally, strong atheists can know analytically there are no instances of omniscience, simply because omniscience is a self-contradictory. One does not have to be omniscient to know that there are no cases of square circles in the universe, and there never ever will be.
Non-sequitur. Why exactly, would omniscience and omnipresence be related, let alone necessitate one another?
Once again, so? Noone claims absolute certainty, strong atheists merely claim that your belief in the reality of mythology is ridiculous (which it clearly is, evidenced by the mental contortions you are undergoing to desperately attempt to attack a bastardized version of atheism that noone adheres to).
Non-sequitur, and pot kettle black syndrome. The fact that a Christian who dogmatically adheres to mythology for absolutely no reason other than his parents conditioned it into him at an early age would have the audacity to call others who lack these absurd beliefs dogmatic based on lies and faulty reasoning, is simply mind boggling. A claim is not "unjustifiable" just because one cannot justify it to 100% certainty. Noone can do that for any belief. However in light of the facts, atheism is certainly far more justified than theism.
Gee whiz, thanks for the logic lessons mister... As if you have any grasp on logic at all. Just for fun, get the theist to prove the universal negativity of the existence of a being that knows (and knowledge actually implies truth of the known proposition) there is no God, without first assuming there is such thing as a God which would be circular reasoning. Buahahaha. Let the moron try to squirm his way around that one.
Other reasons? You have not even demonstrated one.
The fallacy of this pathetic argument can be quickly exposed: "Then the theist cannot adequately explain the existence of God. Like all other things, God cries out for an explanation which is clearly beyond himself -- however, the theist is unable to provide one."
This is the same argument as the above. Saying "God did it" is not an explanation, it is an unfounded speculation. There is a big difference. There is no qualitative difference between saying "God did it", "Thor did it" and "Wefhrgehfge did it", it is no explanation at all, it is just giving an unknown a label.
Obviously this guy doesn't even have the cognitive maturity to grasp that the "laws of logic" are not even a thing to be created.
Either morals are objective (absolute) or subjective (based on the opinion of a being). Since the theist takes objection to the latter, the former must be true, and the exist as do the laws of mathematics and logic, as abstract concepts, not things to be created. Either one disproves your God.
This is a whine, not an argument. The universe does not love you, just get over it.
Wow. Thor claimed to master lightning and thunder. What basis do you have for believing your fairy tale over this one?
The documents that survived, through word-of-mouth and a repressive, control mad church, stated that Jesus was an all-round nice guy, therefore his alleged claim of being God is true?
Was the prophecy written to be fulfulled by Jesus, or was Jesus written to fulfull the prophecy? Plus, examples?!
So the early church peddled its snakeoil well. This does not a true claim make!
"Historical fact", as in, "I want to believe! I want to! I want to!"?
That's what we have done. There is really no evidence for any occurance of deity throughout our history.
Yet, when unbelievers ask solemnly for God to give them a sign, give them the will to believe, when they open their hearts to Jesus, nothing happens. Seems pretty silent/apathetic to me.
Zuh?
And here is the crux of the argument. "My fairy tale is TRUE, damnit, and if you don't believe it it's because you're a dirty filthy sinner." You simply don't want to be accountable for the Egyptian Eater of Souls, that's why you don't believe in him.

Christians are fucking idiots, through and through. Look at the mindless drivel they produce. This is supposed to be "compelling" stuff? I could tear it apart blindfolded!

K

NOGO:

I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that science is still trying to find all the answers - that's a good thing. I was merely pointing out that scientists don't believe that science has found ALL the answers. It probably never will. That doesn't mean we should abandon it in favor of religion. I personally believe that religion has found a grand total of zero answers.

NOGO

Sorry and thanks for the correction.

Kosh

Don't be so harsh, Automaton. They've been conned by the works of Ignorant Bronze Age Goat Herders (tm).

Ancient Israelites: the first con men.

Jamie_L

Automaton,

I see you have decided to pick up Koy's standard and carry on. Jolly good. I thought things were going to get boring around here.

Jamie