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Cognitive Science. Materialists would argue that even if the theories that you have examined could be demonstrated to be inconsistent, science continues to confirm the truth of materialism by not having to replace the current "Scientific" view of physical phenomena with another view, such as Idealism. Quote:
In saying this, I am not saying that materialism will be able to provide satisfactory answers to all of its possible objections. I am not a materialist. I just want to be fair in assessing the theory. |
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But again, I am not a materialist. So my comments should not be viewed as an endorsement of materialism. Quote:
to argue that the "gaps" themselves show that their various views are true. At this point, I have opted not to take sides on the Idealism vs materialism issue, preferring instead to make note of any truths that arise out of dialogues between the two opposing views. I'll be back later. |
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That "brain states" clause is important. Occasionaly, one is told a story about the fall of behaviorism from its lofty perch in psychology and its subsequent replacement by "cognitivism". Behaviorism was oversimple, the story goes, since it ignored the mind (or rather, the brain) and so ran into troubles explaining certain aspects of human activity, such as language acquisition and so on. Cognitivists are different. They take the brain seriously, looking for structures in the human cognitive archictecture that correspond, on whatever level, to our folk psychological understanding of how minds work. There is some truth to this story, but it is somewhat misleading. If there is a cognitivist/behaviorist fence still around today, the only difference between the two sides is that behaviorists want to emphasize behavior and cognitivists want to emphasize cognition. But everyone will agree that behavior and cognition are two sides of the same coin. Even "internal" events that a wily interpreter would be unable to scry from someone's behavior are really "behavior", too. They are behavior in the brain, and they supervene on behavioral dispositions. This is a different story, and the moral is that we should consider the newfound focus on cognitive architecture an improvement over the glory days of Skinner & co., but we should keep the behaviorist skepticism about "privacy", nonetheless. Quote:
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As for the Chinese Room, it's a good argument to use against Cartesian materialists who think that meaningless peripheral information must be translated for use by the inner "I" - and Dennett used it in that capacity before Searle did - but it just won't do for people who think the meaning is in the symbols themselves, not in the brain of a homunculus. "If you take care of the syntax, the semantics will take care of itself." |
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I think there is a central structure that is used for learning and association (not necessarily physically in one piece?) - this is because we can associate anything together - we can associate smells (of smoke) with concepts (smoke and fire) - we can associate visual shapes (words) with objects or properties or concepts - we can associate spoken sounds with visual sensations (colours) - etc... in any combination. I think that we automatically associate all elements of our experiences together... (including our emotions) - then when we have experiences where there is one area of similiarity, that association gets strengthened. e.g. after a while a dog might learn that it was the sitting after the command "sit" that lead to the emotional reward (food/affection) rather than other things like a bell it heard ringing before hand. So we find patterns, but initially we mightn't know what things are related to what so our brain just associates them all together - just in case. Also, I think the pleasure signal is used by the brain to mean that a certain situation, etc, is the goal. The pain signal means that certain situations need to be avoided - depending on the signals intensities. Whenever we feel pain or pleasure, the contents of our working memory (awareness) are associated with those emotions and cause that situation to become more or less desirable. When the brain is working out what to do it would receive an emotional response - e.g. that newness is required due to boredom - and then it works out how to best react using problem solving strategies that the brain has learnt over time. So what do you think of that? It don't think it involves a homunculus (little man)... |
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