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Old 03-14-2003, 08:47 AM   #11
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In modern times, atheism has the advantages of (A) you no longer get burnt at the stake for doing it and (B) science has advanced to the point where an secular point of view can sufficently explain more things than in the past.
In most of the industrialized world, yes. But it can still get you condemned to death in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
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Also I see a link between atheism and affluence.
Speaking as an atheist who filed bankruptcy last year ... BULLSHIT!
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China never in its history has known much theïsm. Taoism is atheïst, Buddism was, and to a large extent still is, atheïst. Confucianism is at best (worst?) a very weird kind of theïsm.
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The question in the OP is like asking how long there have been non-smokers. Since the day the first person lit up.
Atheism isn't something we do. It's something we don't do.
It isn't an action taken, it's inaction.
It isn't a belief that's held, it's the lack of holding a belief.
It isn't a response, it's just basic behavior.
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Old 03-14-2003, 09:21 PM   #15
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Before Darwin, an atheist would likely have believed either

(1) The Universe was always around

or

(2) Spontaneous generation happens all the time

And there was an abundance of seeming evidence for (2) -- mice from river mud and dirty underwear, maggots from rotting meat, etc.
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Actually, someone like Hume remained agnostic toward the origin of the universe, and Hume did not affirm either assertion (1) or (2) as in his skeptical philosophy.

Atheism before Darwin often happen as a rejection of the common theological arguments. Both Hume and Kant attacked the "rational" justification of God first while leaving fideistic beliefs untackled. Some philosophers used Humean skepticism to undermine the "first cause" argument, while not affirming any statements as of the origin of the universe.
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Another alternative would be to reject questions of origins as intrinsically unsolvable. An example of this was the Buddha comparing speculation about the origin of the Universe to being shot with a poisoned arrow and wanting to discover its origin before pulling it out.
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Atheism is passive. I was born without beliefs. When I encountered religions, I still had no beliefs.
It's different in my case. Atheism is Active. True, I was born without beliefs, but as I grew up I embrace the faith of my society. At one point, I even believed I was so righteous that I was having stigmata.

In college, I begun to "think"...and the rest in history.


("To think", said Camus, "is to undermine.")
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China never in its history has known much theïsm.
What do we mean by theism here?

If it's the belief of the supernatural, then Taoism is a theistic religion, not an atheistic one.

China do have a long history of theism, along with superstition and the supernatural.

My Grandfather is a God. So is my Great Grandmother and all those who have passed away. We worship them--as someone who have the power to improve of life. (They sure didn't have any when they were living )

Anyway, I'd like to add that in China there is, in fact, only one religion: Ancestral Worship.
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Also I see a link between atheism and affluence.
Come over to my house. We don't have nice furniture, don't wear flashy clothes, and eat out twice a month.

One thing we are rich in, fortunately, is love.

Even though we are no longer burned at the stake as often as we used to, I have still sensed a very negative connotation to being "godless." The few people I have told who are Christians give me that sad, knowing look as if I should be pitied. Bah. Pity yourselves, enslaved to a dumbed-down, hokey magic show. No thanks.
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