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John Page · 03-19-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by malai5
We define ''universal information'', as information that is accessed by the cognitive/objective, intuitive thought process and is information not derived from 3D sources.

I didn't understand what 3D sources are that are any different from cognitive sources. Surely, if we are cognitive of 3D sources that information is available to our cognitive mechanism(s).

Cheers, John

jpbrooks · 03-19-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by malai5
Dear jpbrooks.
We thank you for reading our post.

Sure (you're welcome).

Like you, I'm in favor of striving for a "universal" view of the world, but only as part of a "comprehensive" view that "encompasses" (and/or seeks to arrive at a synthesis, if possible, between) both "Holisic" and "Reductionistic" perspectives.

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PS. Sorry about the ''quote, end quote'', still learning to drive this forum.

No problem. I'm still learning myself.

malai5 · 03-19-2003, 08:49 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amos
[B]Hello again Malai, our little self is very clever and it is not until "you are brutally truthfull with yourself" and "realise" that not just the "problem is yours" but that you are the problem that the problem will be resolved. Overcoming? yes, but to overcome we must undergo and *unconsciously* set the surpreme identity free.

The battle of overcoming rages between our rational and non rational mind so for the non rational identity to be victor the rational identity must be overthrown and placed subservient to the non rational mind. That's all.

My 2X2=4 makes reference to the positive and negative forces that exist in each mind whereby we are motivated. Our hormones are strong motivators for our responses and they are released by the surpreme identity to create, procreate and co-create until finally our "little self" is exhausted and surrenders its will to reign surpreme.

Hi Amos.

Setting the bigger self/higher self free is in fact a process of enfoldment. The practical process is more like the ''little'' self becomes absorbed by the bigger self and as such is sublimated.
The point of view becomes of the bigger/higher self and as such the benefits that flow, greater connection to your intuition, release of ''control'' to a part of you that really does know how to drive the ''bus'', giving a much greater quality of life. You do however loose a few friends, they cease to understand you as they did.

Yes, your ''little'' self has played a very important function to get you to the point where you can surplant it with something better. It's all about growth. It's all about finally realising who and what you really are. The Universal infinite entity you are.

Cheers.

Malai5.

malai5 · 03-19-2003, 09:03 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by John Page
[B]

I didn't understand what 3D sources are that are any different from cognitive sources. Surely, if we are cognitive of 3D sources that information is available to our cognitive mechanism(s).

Cheers, John

Dear John Page

The 3D ''band'', has limitations that can only be overcome by the understanding that (1) you can overcome them and (2) that you are connected to the whole, the universal mind.
Once you have the intent to persue the connections outside the 3D band, this intent opens up the ability.
3D sources are of a subjective nature, universal are of cognitive/objective nature.
Our cognitive sources, in a 3D world are not accessable as a rule in a direct stream, we are aware of knowings/intuition, but it is overlaid with 3D rationalism which causes it to be a fractious process. The purification of this process, gives the constant flow, the access ''on tap'' as it were. Then the process is operating outside of the 3D limits and is truly objective.

Cheers.

Malai5.

malai5 · 03-19-2003, 09:19 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jpbrooks
[B]Sure (you're welcome).

Like you, I'm in favor of striving for a "universal" view of the world, but only as part of a "comprehensive" view that "encompasses" (and/or seeks to arrive at a synthesis, if possible, between) both "Holisic" and "Reductionistic" perspectives.

No problem. I'm still learning myself.

Dear jpbrooks.

The reductionist approach and the holistic are not really mutually exclusive, as long as, as you seem to understand, they are used where they are most applicable. We seek micro and macro information and know that all things are more than the sum of their parts. The bigger picture view (holistic) needs to be adopted to give the correct perspective by which to use or not to use reductionism. Remember, there are no fixed points, it is all a constant flow and an expanding one at that. Striking the balance is very much dependant, in our case, on what information we receive, as the ''goal posts'' keep moving further apart.
It's a really BIG picture we are being exposed to.

Some of our information we have posted on this forum seems a bit ''far out'', but we do not dictate what is given to us and why should we assume that it would not be ''way out there''.

Cheers.

Malai5.

John Page · 03-19-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by malai5
The 3D ''band'', has limitations that can only be overcome by the understanding that (1) you can overcome them and (2) that you are connected to the whole, the universal mind.

AFH.
1. You do not specify what limitations you are talking about that can only be overcome by understanding that you can overcome them.
2. There is no universal mind. Do you have proof of such a phenomenon?

Cheers, John

sweep · 03-19-2003, 09:55 AM

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When you are operating in big self, Higher Self mode, you are not judgemental of yourself or others. You do not guage yourself by the judgements of others. You do not fear, for fear is a learned response. You are not controlled by others, you do not seek the favour of others, you do not seek to be liked by others, you are self responsible, you love, without conditions, you do not have a ''price''. You know that you are good enough as you are, not comparable to anyone else, for all are individuals and above all, you are truthful to yourself and all others, even when you know that the truth will hurt, for to withhold the truth is to deny yourself and others the ability to truly know you and themselves.

No one is a false ''being'', although a few are not beings but droids. We are merely messengers bringing you the truth of what you really are. We are no different to you, our role is different, that is all.

thanks malai (that makes a lot of sense) I'm temped to ask you whether you are suffering from acute paranoid delusional schizophrenia, but you've said such soothing things that I can't help but offer you my hand. (not being sarcastic By the way)

what I still don't understand, if we all find this higher self is where humour would go, since ignorance, error & realisation are the key to all forms of said humour?

secondly, and more importantly, I ask myself what is worthwhile? Now, that I have gotten rid of many attachments, I am left with gaps to fill. Now that I value things less, or at least try to convince my self that my things aren't that valuable, I am not sure where to go or what to do. What is worthwhile? must I adventure, or get a job and be satisfied in animal needs: eating, breeding, sleeping etc?

03-19-2003, 11:33 AM

Hi Malai, the question here is how can we consciously achieve this? That is, how can we consciously let our intuition be our guide in life while knowing that that will be the best decision we can make?

Would that not be like "learning to walk on water" if we call our higher self the "celestial sea?" Do you see how it would be tempting to step on a rock and just pretend we are standing on water?

emphryio · 03-19-2003, 11:19 PM

I would also like to hear what you have to say about humor; including, if you don't mind, how you would define it, along with how it relates to big and little self.

malai5 · 03-20-2003, 03:26 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by John Page
[B]AFH.
1. You do not specify what limitations you are talking about that can only be overcome by understanding that you can overcome them.
2. There is no universal mind. Do you have proof of such a phenomenon?

Cheers, John

Dear John Page.

1) The limitations, the ''band'', is the frequency parameters of the 3D world. All dimensional worlds have a frequency ''band'' and operate independantly of each other.
As a ''being'', has a direct connection with the universe, the universal mind, if you like, the collective consciousness, it can access this if it chooses to. To do this it has to come over it's attachment to the limitations of 3D ''little'' self ways. If it does not, the conscious connection is not a clear one and can lead to interference by ''little'' self thoughts, subjective information which cannot be relied upon to be truth.

2) If there is no universal mind/collective consciousness, then how do you explain the ''hundreth monkey phenomena''. The ability of some to connect and ''see'' without the use of the normal senses, remote viewing, near death experiences etc, etc.

We are living proof of the existence of the universal mind and the ability to access it.
We research this area, using our Psi abilities, as well as teach others to do the same. We have been involved in this work for many years with many successful students getting their own proofs of the existence of the universal mind. You go figure.

Cheers.

Malai5.

03-20-2003, 03:26 AM	#30
malai5 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney/AUSTRALIA Posts: 270	Re: The three tenors [QUOTE]Originally posted by John Page [B]AFH. 1. You do not specify what limitations you are talking about that can only be overcome by understanding that you can overcome them. 2. There is no universal mind. Do you have proof of such a phenomenon? Cheers, John Dear John Page. 1) The limitations, the ''band'', is the frequency parameters of the 3D world. All dimensional worlds have a frequency ''band'' and operate independantly of each other. As a ''being'', has a direct connection with the universe, the universal mind, if you like, the collective consciousness, it can access this if it chooses to. To do this it has to come over it's attachment to the limitations of 3D ''little'' self ways. If it does not, the conscious connection is not a clear one and can lead to interference by ''little'' self thoughts, subjective information which cannot be relied upon to be truth. 2) If there is no universal mind/collective consciousness, then how do you explain the ''hundreth monkey phenomena''. The ability of some to connect and ''see'' without the use of the normal senses, remote viewing, near death experiences etc, etc. We are living proof of the existence of the universal mind and the ability to access it. We research this area, using our Psi abilities, as well as teach others to do the same. We have been involved in this work for many years with many successful students getting their own proofs of the existence of the universal mind. You go figure. Cheers. Malai5.

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03-19-2003, 08:49 AM	#23
malai5 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney/AUSTRALIA Posts: 270	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amos [B]Hello again Malai, our little self is very clever and it is not until "you are brutally truthfull with yourself" and "realise" that not just the "problem is yours" but that you are the problem that the problem will be resolved. Overcoming? yes, but to overcome we must undergo and unconsciously set the surpreme identity free. The battle of overcoming rages between our rational and non rational mind so for the non rational identity to be victor the rational identity must be overthrown and placed subservient to the non rational mind. That's all. My 2X2=4 makes reference to the positive and negative forces that exist in each mind whereby we are motivated. Our hormones are strong motivators for our responses and they are released by the surpreme identity to create, procreate and co-create until finally our "little self" is exhausted and surrenders its will to reign surpreme. Hi Amos. Setting the bigger self/higher self free is in fact a process of enfoldment. The practical process is more like the ''little'' self becomes absorbed by the bigger self and as such is sublimated. The point of view becomes of the bigger/higher self and as such the benefits that flow, greater connection to your intuition, release of ''control'' to a part of you that really does know how to drive the ''bus'', giving a much greater quality of life. You do however loose a few friends, they cease to understand you as they did. Yes, your ''little'' self has played a very important function to get you to the point where you can surplant it with something better. It's all about growth. It's all about finally realising who and what you really are. The Universal infinite entity you are. Cheers. Malai5.

03-19-2003, 09:03 AM	#24
malai5 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney/AUSTRALIA Posts: 270	[QUOTE]Originally posted by John Page [B] I didn't understand what 3D sources are that are any different from cognitive sources. Surely, if we are cognitive of 3D sources that information is available to our cognitive mechanism(s). Cheers, John Dear John Page The 3D ''band'', has limitations that can only be overcome by the understanding that (1) you can overcome them and (2) that you are connected to the whole, the universal mind. Once you have the intent to persue the connections outside the 3D band, this intent opens up the ability. 3D sources are of a subjective nature, universal are of cognitive/objective nature. Our cognitive sources, in a 3D world are not accessable as a rule in a direct stream, we are aware of knowings/intuition, but it is overlaid with 3D rationalism which causes it to be a fractious process. The purification of this process, gives the constant flow, the access ''on tap'' as it were. Then the process is operating outside of the 3D limits and is truly objective. Cheers. Malai5.

03-19-2003, 09:19 AM	#25
malai5 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney/AUSTRALIA Posts: 270	[QUOTE]Originally posted by jpbrooks [B]Sure (you're welcome). Like you, I'm in favor of striving for a "universal" view of the world, but only as part of a "comprehensive" view that "encompasses" (and/or seeks to arrive at a synthesis, if possible, between) both "Holisic" and "Reductionistic" perspectives. No problem. I'm still learning myself. Dear jpbrooks. The reductionist approach and the holistic are not really mutually exclusive, as long as, as you seem to understand, they are used where they are most applicable. We seek micro and macro information and know that all things are more than the sum of their parts. The bigger picture view (holistic) needs to be adopted to give the correct perspective by which to use or not to use reductionism. Remember, there are no fixed points, it is all a constant flow and an expanding one at that. Striking the balance is very much dependant, in our case, on what information we receive, as the ''goal posts'' keep moving further apart. It's a really BIG picture we are being exposed to. Some of our information we have posted on this forum seems a bit ''far out'', but we do not dictate what is given to us and why should we assume that it would not be ''way out there''. Cheers. Malai5.

03-19-2003, 11:33 AM	#28
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Hi Malai, the question here is how can we consciously achieve this? That is, how can we consciously let our intuition be our guide in life while knowing that that will be the best decision we can make? Would that not be like "learning to walk on water" if we call our higher self the "celestial sea?" Do you see how it would be tempting to step on a rock and just pretend we are standing on water?

03-19-2003, 11:19 PM	#29
emphryio Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: WV Posts: 4,369	I would also like to hear what you have to say about humor; including, if you don't mind, how you would define it, along with how it relates to big and little self.

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