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John Page


Transhumanism is all about working hard (and together) for a better future, and making an effort to transcend our human limitations without the help of unfounded supernatural concepts. What’s wrong with that idea?

There are communities with leaders. Take the Extropy Institute for example. However, there no Popes or Kings that rule over it all, if you know what I mean.

- Further unifying humanity
- Rising above a human limitation

Yeah – you’re right. It was a mistake in wording.

Right.....

John Page

Ah, just the usual corporate governance of non-profit corporations without responsibility to the human race at large then. (Sorry, I am a cynic through experience)
Not electoral issues of tax cuts, health and education then? Or are you saying that the human race is not fit to govern itself democratically and we must give the whole thing over to the ubermensch? Really, how would it work? Perhaps a scientific poll to measure latent vs. realized happiness.

Cheers, john

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John Page
Bah - Hum Bug!
You're overcomplicating it.

Yeah. That to. I couldn't think of EVERYTHING.

Ugg! What are you talking about?! Politics would remain the same. Only our philosophy would change through Transhumanism.

John Page

That's just what Jesus said, sir!
But I think politics is the main area that needs improvement in human society - we have the technology!
What about corruption in Africa, nepotism on Capitol Hill, poverty and over-population in Bangladesh, isolationism in North Korea.

Cheers, John

Woodeye

Hero Re: Original post...What can replace Christianity?
Christianity has already been replaced, by a religion of the same name.
Christianity began as a nationalistic revival of Jewish nationalism, which had already degenerated into a ritualist religion generations earlier.
After the Jerusalem seat of the Christian nationalist movement was destroyed by Rome, the Roman faction simply degenerated into religious ritual just as Judaism had done before.
The Christian religion is based on a misinterpretation of the Jewish philosophy on the spirit of righteousness(Holy Spirit).
The law was completely civil in purpose, and civil law is necessary because people have a tendancy to not be civil. The penalties that are the consequences of breaking the law, are to force people to force themselves to act civily. This is self-righteousness, and it is exactly what the law requires.
However, there are some people who realize that being civil is good for society, and they get into the spirit of the law, and they keep the law, not because it is a legal requirement, but because the want to. These people are not "under" the law, because when they do by nature the things that are contained in the law, keeping the law is not a burden for them.
However, whether by the spirit or by the letter, the law must be kept or society will completely fall apart.
The church has twisted this simple spiritual philosophy to mean that self-righteousness is bad, and only righteousness that comes from a "spirit entity" is good, but of course this is baloney.
This false teaching of the church causes guilt and depression among Christians, because they know, and they have to hide, that their righteous is self-righteousness from the fear of peer pressure.
Self-righteousness through fear of consequences, is the only hope to maintain civil society, until everyone does by nature the things contained in the law....and that hasn't happened yet.

SecularFuture

We need a strong philosophy like Transhumanism to let people know what they could / should do with that technology, though. What is Christianity telling them? Nothing, really.

Thats a different subject.

Is this a philosophy/religion that you started?

John Page

So you're advocating a benevolent dictatorship, then? How do some get the position to tell others what they should do?
Why, because they're not "technology solvable" issues?
Yes.

Cheers, John

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John Page
Transhumanism has NOTHING to do with politics. And no - I don't see anything wrong with democracy.

Uggg...

Thats very impressive. Its takes a good mind to create a philosophy / religion.

Paul5204

To all:

I am simply amazed at the lack of understanding of Christianity that is regretably more than amply demonstrated by some of those who post here. To take our first example, one soul living [nefesh chayyah] posted here:

"Self-righteousness through fear of consequences, is the only hope to maintain civil society, until everyone does by nature the things contained in the law....and that hasn't happened yet."

I hope that the poster is aware that the entire purpose of Christianity is to get us to the point where "everyone does by nature the things contained in the law" Which explains why that other Paul wrote: In Christ, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matters, but a new creation." Quite simply, Christianity is indeed about becoming a new creation, and most definitely not about earning a ticket to heaven. So if you have no interest in becoming a "little Christ," then Christianity is simply not for you.

As a final thought, the same poster apparently does not understand that other Paul's thoughts concerning "self righteousness" and being "under law." As that other Paul so aptly stated:

"Now we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, but know this, that the law was not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for slayers of men, for fornicators, for homosexuals, for men-stealers, for liars, perjurers and if there is any other thing opposed to sound doctrine, according to the joyful news of the glory of the blessed God with which I’ve been entrusted."

So, when that other Paul speaks of the danger of being "under law," try to remember that he understands that when one claims to be "under law," then one has confirmed that one is lawless, disobedient, unholy, profane, sinful, etc. Put another way, if humans were not murders, thieves and adulterers, there would be no need for us to be told, do not murder, do not steal, do not commit adultery.

And to further move the discussion from the purported "civil" nature of the law to the spiritual, it was only my Lord who is reported to have said: you have heard that it was said to the ancients, do not commit adultery...but I tell you that whosoever looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery in his heart. So you see my friends, Christianity is not about conforming to a standard of conduct for the good of humanity, it is, again, about the transformation of the human spirit [since one could always harbor the lust but never act on it, but my Lord said that the harboring in itself was sin (since you are what you think)].

John Page

Yes it is, that's why Christian societies have been successful! I would guess that what you mean by "transforming the human spirit" is, in reality, the changes required for the conformance you deny.

Cheers, John