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Albion · 08-19-2002, 10:27 PM

Whereas when you check the genes, that 98% is still applicable, right? I mean, he didn't specifically say that all the homology is in the noncoding DNA, but he did everything short of saying it.

Sci_Fidelity · 08-20-2002, 08:12 AM

Which begs the question of why gawd would give us 98% junk DNA. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Kosh · 08-20-2002, 08:48 AM

"Ugly Bags of Mostly Water"
- Star Trek: TNG

That was a clever slight of hand trick....

MortalWombat · 08-20-2002, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
That is what he is saying, yes. However what he is thinking is probably 'Ooo neddle ping snowdrop the colors the colors!'

No, what he is thinking is "Lying for Jesus is OK, lying for Jesus is righteous, lying for Jesus is good..."

Happy Wonderer · 08-20-2002, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by MortalWombat:


No, what he is thinking is "Lying for Jesus is OK, lying for Jesus is righteous, lying for Jesus is good..."

"Lying for Jesus is profitable!" (Or should that be prophetable?)

Mageth · 08-20-2002, 09:50 AM

Dumb question perhaps, but what is the 2% of a cloud that's not water?

And watermelons are only 92-93% water, IIRC.

tgamble · 08-20-2002, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
That is what he is saying, yes. However what he is thinking is probably 'Ooo neddle ping snowdrop the colors the colors!'

Nah, what he's thinking is this

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Dr S · 08-20-2002, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth:
Dumb question perhaps, but what is the 2% of a cloud that's not water?

Dust.

But since Adam was made from a pile of magic dust and since people are mostly water then clouds must be people

bluefugue · 08-20-2002, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Doubting Didymus:
That is what he is saying, yes. However what he is thinking is probably 'Ooo neddle ping snowdrop the colors the colors!'

ROFL!

theyeti · 08-20-2002, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Albion:


OK, am I understanding this right? He's saying (or implying) that human and chimp DNA is 97-99% identical but it's the other 1-3% that's the actual coding DNA? That humans and chimps have no genetic similarity at all except in the junk DNA? is that what he's really saying?

What I think he's saying is that only 1-3% of both human and chimp DNA has been sequenced (or there is only a 1-3% overlap from what has been sequenced in both) and that within that 1-3%, there is 98% identity. Therefore he's implying that we have insufficient data to conclude a high degree of overall similarity, if I'm understanding him right.

However, this line of reasoning is (you guessed it) hopelessly flawed. The 98% similarity figure comes from hybridization studies that use the entire genome, not from DNA sequencing. The hybridization studies were done many years before anyone could efficiently sequence large amounts of DNA, but the results are the same. Given that only about 3% (give or take) of human DNA is coding, that means that the "junk DNA", which makes up the vast majority of our genome, is about 98% similar to that of a chimp.

theyeti

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08-19-2002, 10:27 PM	#11
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Whereas when you check the genes, that 98% is still applicable, right? I mean, he didn't specifically say that all the homology is in the noncoding DNA, but he did everything short of saying it.

08-20-2002, 08:12 AM	#12
Sci_Fidelity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 595	Which begs the question of why gawd would give us 98% junk DNA. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

08-20-2002, 08:48 AM	#13
Kosh Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orions Belt Posts: 3,911	"Ugly Bags of Mostly Water" - Star Trek: TNG That was a clever slight of hand trick....

08-20-2002, 09:50 AM	#16
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Dumb question perhaps, but what is the 2% of a cloud that's not water? And watermelons are only 92-93% water, IIRC.

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