unworthyone

Sounds like an argument I always hear against God and creation.

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Valentine Pontifex

Re: My request for terms to be defined.

A larva is NOT a different species of butterfly any more than a toddler is a different species of human. This in-and-of-itself makes you question invalid and shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the basic terms of biology.
Yes it does. It reproduces the same way a toddler does: it continues with its life cycle and becomes an adult who then can reproduce.
There is no mutation (at least using term as it is used in biology) involved in a catepillar become an adult butterfly whatsoever. You are showing a lack of understanding of the basic biology of the situtation.
There is no such thing a species that does not reproduce. All species have reproduction or they become extinct very fast.
Well no biologist thinks what what you they think happened.

Why do butterflies have the life cycle that they do? I don't know and I don't think science know yet either. It is a mystery. But that mysteries exist does not invalidate evolutionary theory any more than mysteries to about chemistry invalidates atomic theory.

Automaton

Could you please show the courtesy to address my actual post (all of it, not just one little piece), and not change the subject or respond with one-liner rhetoric? Thanks.

unworthyone

Right you smart people don't need to keep telling me I'm dumb. I know I don't understand that's why I ask.

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unworthyone

You and I both know I can't do that. (Show that evolution isn't falsifiable.)

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Valentine Pontifex

I might add that we are unlikely to figure out how the type of life cycle of the butterfly and other members of lepidoptera until we understand, in detail, the molecular and genetic aspects the transformations involved in that lifestyle. I don't believe that this has yet been accomplised. If so, you are putting the cart in front of the horse. Once this is done, comparative studies would also for related taxons as well. (Often how things evolved does not become clear until one checks the diversity of related taxons.)

At the very least, you are going to have to get to know your hox genes in and out to even remotely understand any possible hypothesis for why the life cycle evolved.

Automaton

Then what was the point of this thread?

Lizard

unworthy one,

No offense, but you admit you know little about evolutionary biology, so if you have questions about it, why not go to the libary (the 500 section) and read up on it? Or maybe this URL will give you a brief primer on evo bio:

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html</a>

If you don't know what you're talking about, it's hard to come up with good arguments. To play the game, it helps to learn the rules.

Good luck.

unworthyone

I'm wanting answers thats why I'm here. You could be nice and help me out but unfortunately I have a hard time understanding a lot of the other stuff I can read online. I need it simplified.

unworthyone

To show that the butterfly could be Creation.

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