Benny Hill

No, you're thinking of female genital mutilation, which can include removal of the clitoris, infibulation, etc. I'm talking about the female equivalent of male circumcision- the removal of the clitoral hood and labia minora. Both procedures, if done by a trained physician, are relatively low-risk surgeries. Why should it be considered a crime when forced on girls, but socially acceptable when forced on boys?

AquaVita

Educate me for a moment...

What exactly is gained for the female by removing the clitoral hood and labia minora? What is the purpose of such a procedure? What side effects are there?

tronvillain

AquaVita:
While female circumcision as it is usually practiced (though there are various different types) is far worse than male circumcision, they are compared because they both involve the cutting of genitals and a few of the rationalizations are similar.
Ah, but is it actually the case that "most women" think that a cut cock is better looking? If it is, do they think that when it is erect (when there is far less difference), or just when it is flacid? I myself would probably agree that when flacid the cut look is more pleasing to the eye since the uncut look is wrinkly and tends to be somewhat asymmetrical, but when erect the difference essentially dissapears and the foreskin shows its purpose in the gliding ability. Now, it seems unlikely that being cut provides any "advantage", since by the time a woman sees someone's cock for the first time (or almost any time sex is likely to come up), it is probably erect and too late for a minute preference to make a difference anyway. It just does not seem worth the sacrifice.
[quote]And I'm no doctor, but to me, it just makes logical sense that there is a cleanliness and odor issue here. Any dark, damp area that is surrounded by skin on your body is going to develop body odors and other unpleasant things. (Think armpits)[/url]
*sigh* Yes, you are obviously no doctor. The area under your foreskin is not comparable to your armpits or feet, and is instead comparable to your mouth or your eyes. It is triviallyeasy to keep clean and devoid of odours and "other unpleasant things." Here I can peel my foreskin back right now and show you...
*chuckle* Oh please, there is no evidence I am aware of that the decreased sensitivity actually has any effect on how long someone can go (I am uncut and I can go as long as I want, but big deal). It simply does not follow that increased sensation leads to decreased endurance, especially since premature ejaclation appear to be more mental than physical. I am sure that the sex is great, but I am equally sure that someone who had never had sex or any sexual experience without wearing a condom would say the same thing.
Who said anything of the sort? I must have missed that one. I would not feel like "less of a man" if I was circumsized, but I would be annoyed about the decrease in sensation and the impact the loss of the gliding ability would have on masturbation and perhaps even on sex.

tronvillain

ex-xian:
What the fuck? If that particular art is an accurate reflection of your particular culture, then you have one fucked up culture. I have never experienced or even heard of a girl really caring about whether someone was cut or uncut. What that looks like to me is writers attempting to feel better about circumcision, not an accurate reflection of reality.

AquaVita

But it is an accurate reflection of reality. The reality being, that most women prefer a cut penis.

I'll respond to your post directly to me when I have some more time.


*edited to get my sentance right.

Benny Hill

What exactly is gained from circumcising a male? According to the AMA and AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics), nothing. As far as the female version of the procedure, I'm sure you could use the same arguments as for male circumcision- neatness, cleanliness, etc. Side effects are probably similar to a male circumcision- pain, swelling, loss of sensation, etc.

AquaVita

As i've already pointed out...apples and oranges.

eldar1011

Or more accurately, that's the American reality. And given the prevalence of circumcision in the States, is that really so surprising?

Most American women prefer a cut penis because that's the norm and (by your rationale) it'll continue being the norm because that's what most American women prefer.

A bit circular.

Take that poor bastard from the TV show. He's cut himself and his plastic surgeon daddy is able to repair any damage. Say the kid decides he wants to live in Europe. Now he's the freak again.

Perhaps "drastic" was too drastic of a word. But, it's certainly permanent. A permanent change done to appeal to an ideal that changes with either geographic location, cultural norms and the steady progress of time.

tribalbeeyatch

Is there any non-anecdotal evidence of this?

Derec

Benny wasn't talking about the common practice in some muslim societies. He constructed a similar scenario to male circumcision. So we are back to apples and apples now.
Care to answer his question?

UMoC