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The Christian God. 22 62.86%
Allah. 4 11.43%
They have caused equal amounts of death and destruction. 9 25.71%
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Old 08-04-2003, 06:50 PM   #31
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You criticize the Christian God, claiming He's a myth, yet you believe in the Roman gods? Talk about hypocritical.
I do not claim that Yahweh is a myth, in the sense of a nonexistent god. He is real, but intrinsically no different from the Roman gods. I'm not like these atheists--when I criticize Yahweh, I'm criticizing a being I believe in, though I do not share your beliefs about his nature.

If you want, we can talk about why I think Yahweh is a finite god who lies in claiming to be an omnimax creator of the universe. But on another thread--this one is too good to be hijacked into a discussion of a misunderstanding of my beliefs that is suprisingly rare.
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Old 08-04-2003, 06:51 PM   #32
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I go with Allah on this one as being the most wicked---------(same God though, which does confuse things somewhat.)

But just for the sake of argument.------will separate. Allah is still actively killing or ordering the killing of innocents.

Christianity gave that up a couple hundred years ago. Damned glad it did.

What Islam needs is a good dose of capitalist self interest to modify itself acceptably.

When everyone looks out for #1--- then the world is a much more tolerant place. When we are all self interested bastards --then how can we say that we are essentially better bastards than anyone else? (Except for material things of course).
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Old 08-04-2003, 07:40 PM   #33
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Please define murder for us, and then explain how your false god killing millions of people is not murder.
The unlawful killing of one human being by another with malice.

God isn't a human being killing another human for one. God does it lawfully, since He is the Creator of the Universe, and the ultimate Judge. And God doesn't kill with malice.

Let me ask you again. If its not acceptable for God to judge and execute people, why is it acceptable for the military to kill the enemy and get applauded, or the government to execute a criminal? God holds infinitely more authority than both the government and the military.
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Old 08-04-2003, 08:08 PM   #34
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The unlawful killing of one human being by another with malice.

God isn't a human being killing another human for one. God does it lawfully, since He is the Creator of the Universe, and the ultimate Judge. And God doesn't kill with malice.

Let me ask you again. If its not acceptable for God to judge and execute people, why is it acceptable for the military to kill the enemy and get applauded, or the government to execute a criminal? God holds infinitely more authority than both the government and the military.
By that logic, we can abuse, mistreat, murder, rape and steal from god, because he is not a human being. Thanks!
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By that logic, we can abuse, mistreat, murder, rape and steal from god, because he is not a human being. Thanks!
Case in point on all your posts being sarcastic.
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Old 08-04-2003, 08:24 PM   #36
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Case in point on all your posts being sarcastic.
Any 'reasonable person' (the law's standard) would find your posts illogical, incoherent, and/or a candidate for a Dumbell Prize (TM).

Case in point: I posted here before you joined up, so it is impossible for ALL of my posts to be sarcastic and directed at you.
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Any 'reasonable person' (the law's standard) would find your posts illogical, incoherent, and/or a candidate for a Dumbell Prize (TM).

Case in point: I posted here before you joined up, so it is impossible for ALL of my posts to be sarcastic and directed at you.
Incoherent and illogical why? Just because you don't accept them? By what standards do you consider logic coherent and intelligent? As long as it has nothing to do with religion?
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Incoherent and illogical why? Just because you don't accept them? By what standards do you consider logic coherent and intelligent? As long as it has nothing to do with religion?
If it doesn't self-contradict, such as your posts claiming that "No one knows what's in heaven," and then saying there is no sex in heaven, as though you had absolute knowledge.
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If it doesn't self-contradict, such as your posts claiming that "No one knows what's in heaven," and then saying there is no sex in heaven, as though you had absolute knowledge.
When I did I say no one knows anything about Heaven? God gave us some details of Heaven, but the majority of it is a mistery.
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When I did I say no one knows anything about Heaven? God gave us some details of Heaven, but the majority of it is a mistery.
Also, grammar and spelling errors, which abound in your posts, do NOT help your credibility.

Let me guess, praying made you a genius?
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