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rebelnerd · 04-14-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution."

Benedict Ashley, OP

So they've got their grubby little fingers in everything, that's not exactly news. What's your point?

Filo

Stephen Maturin · 04-15-2003, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution."

Yes, well, we shall see just how far the Church "transcends" human organizations - in particular the civil justice system - when the judgments start rolling in.

hezekiah jones · 04-15-2003, 05:14 AM

Originally posted by Stephen Maturin
Yes, well, we shall see just how far the Church "transcends" human organizations - in particular the civil justice system - when the judgments start rolling in.

heh heh heh.

Aravnah Ornan · 04-15-2003, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by Stephen Maturin
Yes, well, we shall see just how far the Church "transcends" human organizations - in particular the civil justice system - when the judgments start rolling in.

:notworthy

Stephen T-B · 04-15-2003, 08:14 AM

And Gemma, in transcending the limits of �of every human political, economic, or cultural institution," does the RC Church deliver universal justice? The rule of law? Clean water for people to drink? Enough food for them to eat? Respect for women, so that they aren�t treated like baby machines? Respect for children so that they are properly educated and not forced into labour?
Does this great institution of which you are so proud rid humankind of superstition and ignorance? Does it generate tolerance? Understanding? Wisdom?
Are Roman Catholics reliably honest? Reliably kind? Reliably decent? Reliably generous in their judgments of others?
What, Gemma, was the point of your post?

Proxima Centauri · 04-15-2003, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution."

Benedict Ashley, OP

Well I think there's more of the scientific method in the world than Roman Catholicism. Then the scientific method is better than Roman Catholicism.

watcher_nine · 04-15-2003, 10:50 AM

"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution."

If so, then the experimental primary sentient life project on this planet has produced an unacceptable anomaly. Project termination must be given consideration if this situation continues.

Shake · 04-15-2003, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution."

Benedict Ashley, OP

Filo handled this rather well by saying:

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So they've got their grubby little fingers in everything, that's not exactly news. What's your point?

I was going to say something like, "Yeah. Depressing, isn't it?" Godless Dave summed this up even better:

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So we've established that the Catholic Church is a powerful international organization. I don't think anyone here disputes that. In fact I see it as part of the problem.
(my emphasis)

Couldn't agree more, GD!

Kintaro · 04-15-2003, 01:22 PM

And not one reply from the topic starter since.

It is nothing more than fundie attempts at witness-n-run. And yes, catholics can be fundies, as in lacking something fundamental : logic, and restraint.

The Game of Go is older than any of the new Testament (.cn : Wei'qi, .kr : Ba'duk, .jp : Igo).

I think that is more transcendental than the catholic church (the board size did change from 17x17 to 19x19 in time though)

Proxima Centauri · 04-16-2003, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese
"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution."

Benedict Ashley, OP

Any rational free thinker can plainly see that the United Nations involves far more countries than the Rubbish Catholic Church. Sorry, I mean the Roman Catholic Church.

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hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Re: The Catholic Church Originally posted by Stephen Maturin Yes, well, we shall see just how far the Church "transcends" human organizations - in particular the civil justice system - when the judgments start rolling in. heh heh heh.

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04-15-2003, 08:14 AM	#25
Stephen T-B Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 5,878	And Gemma, in transcending the limits of �of every human political, economic, or cultural institution," does the RC Church deliver universal justice? The rule of law? Clean water for people to drink? Enough food for them to eat? Respect for women, so that they aren�t treated like baby machines? Respect for children so that they are properly educated and not forced into labour? Does this great institution of which you are so proud rid humankind of superstition and ignorance? Does it generate tolerance? Understanding? Wisdom? Are Roman Catholics reliably honest? Reliably kind? Reliably decent? Reliably generous in their judgments of others? What, Gemma, was the point of your post?

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watcher_nine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: outpost 364 Posts: 5	"If one looks at the Catholic Church today, one will see plainly that no other human organization, even the United Nations, so transcends the limits of every human political, economic, or cultural institution." If so, then the experimental primary sentient life project on this planet has produced an unacceptable anomaly. Project termination must be given consideration if this situation continues.

04-15-2003, 01:22 PM	#29
Kintaro Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 247	And not one reply from the topic starter since. It is nothing more than fundie attempts at witness-n-run. And yes, catholics can be fundies, as in lacking something fundamental : logic, and restraint. The Game of Go is older than any of the new Testament (.cn : Wei'qi, .kr : Ba'duk, .jp : Igo). I think that is more transcendental than the catholic church (the board size did change from 17x17 to 19x19 in time though)

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