SimplyAtheistic

I think people are missing the point here though. In a universe like ours that has laws, or even if god could change those laws, you still would experience EVERYTHING there is to experience and STILL have an eternity left to do things. There might be an unimaginable number of things to do, but when you finish those things, you still have more time!!! Just because it is an inifinite amount of time, doesent mean there is an infinite amount of things to do. And if so they wouldnt be of enough change to make you happy. If you have your own consciousness in heaven, which people tend to think, you WILL get bored, end of statement, to believe otherwise is foolhardy.
Jake

Amaranth

Incorrect. A group of all integers would be infinite. A subset of that inifite, all positive integers, is still infinite. A subset of that inifinite, all even integers, is still infident. A subset of that infinite, all prime integers, is not infinite.

Thus, after all the subsets are applied, you no longer have an infinite number.

If I take the numbers three and seven, and subset that group into only even numbers, I have nothing. Thus, any group, infinite or finite, has an infinite number of subsets, but those subsets do not necessarily include anything.

big
adj.
Of considerable size, number, quantity, magnitude, or extent; large.

in·fin·i·ty
n.
An indefinitely large number or amount

Ad hominem, yet again.

My problem is my debate opponent cannot go for more than one post without attacking the source of the idea instead of the idea itself.

Regardless, if there are things the mind cannot understand, this just further limits the infinite knowledge to be learned in the eternal afterlife. Yet another subset to add, and further limit the chance that there is an actual infinite amount of interesting things to stave off boredom for that eternity.

Amaranth

Rhea

I once saw a medical documentary about a man in England who had suffered an injury to the brain. This left him with a curious mix of memory and no memory.

He could remember how to speak, and read and write, brush his teeth, walk, draw, even play the piano.

But he couldn't remember his wife, or yesterday.

Every day he woke up, and picked up his journal.
Every day he crossed off the previous day's entry and wrote, "Today is the first day of my life"

Every day his wife came to visit, but he didn't know who she was.
Every day he fell in love with her.

And every day he went to sleep, and woke up the next morning and crossed off the previous day's "Today is the first day of my life" and wrote a fresh new "Today is the first day of my life".

Is this eternal happiness, perhaps?
He certainly has complete free will.
And is almost certainly sinless at this point, for that matter.
And he falls in love every day.
A glimpse of "heaven"?

GeoTheo

I saw that too. I think your post is cool. not sure what I think of it yet.

GeoTheo

Aramanth are you aware that numbers don't really exist? They are a construct. Not actual things in themselves but just a tool of analysis. They have their limits. I still don't understand how you can reach the point where you have done and learned everything there is to know and do and still have all of eternity left. As long as time was still going on their would be new things to do. If their were other people around you would still have some spontineity.
You never know what people are going to do.

Amaranth

Am-a-ranth.

I'll leave the odd claim that numbers don't exist alone. It's irrelivent. So numbers are non-existant tools, with limits. That's great. Is there a rebuttal coming soon?

The topic is still "eternity would be boring." I don't want to learn everything. Like everyone else, there are things I am patently disinterested in. I especially don't want to do everything, as the implications of that are terrifying at best. No, the idea is that once you cut out everything you aren't interested in, along with everything you can't possibly understand (thanks), and take into account that new things which are similar to old things will be disinteresting, you are left with what seems to be an obviously finite set, and an infinite amount of time.

New things to do in no way assures that those things will be interesting, or always available when you are bored. Could you survive a millenium of nothing new until the next original thing popped up?

And people? You may never "know" what people are going to do, but the more people you meet, and the longer you spend with them, the more predictable they become. And the number of people is definately finite. Once again, eventually it would all be similar to something seen or heard before, and ultimately boring. This is still eternity we are talking about.

Amaranth

GeoTheo

Amaranth,
Are you easily bored, generally?

Amaranth

From the OP: I'm a fickle person, prone to boredom.

Rhea

Well God's got "new nature"s to hand out. Hopefully you'll get one!

Phew. Problem solved.
(Perhaps it will be like the example I mentioned above...)

Amaranth

If such is the case, then my wish is quite granted - I will cease to exist, and someone who merely resembles me will take my place. Thus, I am just a flawed prototype to be modified when the actual floor model is put out.

And your example mentioned above is extremely lacking in human psychology, and bits of logic. For one, why would the man in question look at his journal every morning? How would he know it's his? Why didn't he panic, realizing that he couldn't recall who he was, or where he was? Why would his wife visit him every day? This sounds exceedingly emotionally draining, to say the very least, having to introduce yourself and answer the same basic questions every day.

The story may be real, but it is so glossed with sugar I actually looked for it at "Chicken Soup for the Soul" before looking for any medical history on it. Speaking of that, I can't find any - Have any?

Amaranth