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Old 01-28-2002, 03:24 PM   #41
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you'd probably also complain that .99999999... != 1

Whereas, if you let x = .99999999... [ad infinitum]
10x = 9.99999999...
10x = 9 + x
(10x) - x = (9 + x) - x
9x = 9
x = 1
QED
I protest! That's not a proper riddle! You trickes us with a "shortcut" in poor form.

The problem is properly stated, of course, as:

x = 0.9999999....
10x = 9.9999999...
10x = 9x + x
10x - x = (9x + x) - x
9x = 9x
x = 0.9999999... - QED
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amos:
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Thanks Bill, but that only works because it is true. Hardy wrote a poem on that in which he compared the human pride with the Titanic and the iceberg with the Immanent Will (lovely imagery). When they collided the "two hemispheres jarred." The poem is called "The Convergeance of the Twain: Lines on the Titanic."

So now in addition to being immoral, atheists are also "proud".
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<strong>Well, Hinduism has a trinity, Brahma the creator, Krishna the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer.

P.S. Could <a href="http://www.ccel.org/e/edwards/trinity/trinity.html" target="_blank">this</a> be the essay of which you were speaking?</strong>
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Is it not Brahma, Krishna and Arguna? Krishna is Mary and Arguna is Christ from the picture I have seen.

Yes that humans have the potential to be Christ is in the Cathechism today and I have seen the qoute. It was the Baptist that showed me where it was because they did not like it.

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See, in heaven at the moment, we allegedly have the following personages, each of whom, in one form or another, is God:

1. God the Father in the form of pure spirit.

2. God the Son, Jesus, in the form of a human body.

3. God the Son, Jesus, in the form of a human soul which is pure spirit.

4. The Holy Spirit in the form of pure spirit.


That nun was absolutely right to rap your hand for such blasphemy and obvious bullheadedness for not allowing Jesus's soul to be in his body. The idea of a four-part god goes against the best numerology of that time that declared 3 the perfect number because it had a beginning, a middle, and an end. That's why there are 3 cardinal virtues faith, hope and charity. The bells at mass were rung 3 times as the priest elevated the host. You used to recite Lord have mercy 3 times and the "kyrie eleison " has 3 parts. (I don't know if this is still true of the mass today.) Seven is also a magical number and figures in church teachings, 7 sacraments, 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit, 7 deadly sins. It all goes back to Plato, doesn't it?
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Thanks Bill, but that only works because it is true. Hardy wrote a poem on that in which he compared the human pride with the Titanic and the iceberg with the Immanent Will (lovely imagery). When they collided the "two hemispheres jarred." The poem is called "The Convergeance of the Twain: Lines on the Titanic."

So now in addition to being immoral, atheists are also "proud".</strong>
Please sbaii, I've been called many things but never an atheist. Hardy was a Catholic but is just that atheists are desperate and claim him one their side.
 
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Glorified body just means without sickness and of good health and the stigmata is still visible today . . . if you can be the judge of the living and the death.
 
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This appears to be poor mathematics to attempt to prove .999... = 1. As illustration, substitute 9.5 for 9.9999... in the first step, and claim x = 0.5. If this were mathematically valid, 0.5 = 1 would be true.
Is 10x = 9.999... given x = 0.999... true, or simply an assumption? It seems to me that 10x should be 9.999...0.
Oh no... oh no... oh no... Please don't start talking about limits... I finished calculus... I got a C... I passed... take the scary things away...
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<strong>1. Man (the Sphinx riddle)
2. It cannot.
3. It cannot.
4. I have read it.
5. It cannot be true.

Okay, I've answered your five questions. Could you perhaps now please explain what you meant by "atheists defend 2=1"? None of these seem to have anything to do with a claim that 2=1.</strong>
Ahem...
Sorry, 2 out of 5 is not passing.

2. How can a circle be a square?
Spin a square on an axis running from the middle of one side to the middle of the opposing parallel side. Now spin the square. It sweeps out the volume of a cylinder; the ends of which are circles. (ok, so I missed, there are 2 circles)

The cylinder will cast both a square and a circular shadow into/on to a 2D "Flatland"/surface

3.How can a triangle be a circle?
Taking an isosceles (or equilateral) triangle by the point between the equal sides (on an equilateral it doesn't matter which) and spin it on an axis running down to an opposing point equal-distant from the other corners. The triangle now sweeps out a volume of a cone, the bottum of which is a circle.

The cone will now cast a triangular or circular shadow into/on to a 2D "Flatland"/surface

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It took me all of about five seconds to "figure them out." What I still haven't figured out is what the hell you're talking about!</strong>
5 seconds to get 2 answers? I think you are losing you touch. Especially with the Flatland hint. The electron (e- = C) (another missed hint) has "personalities". One is a particle; the other a wave. "A" Particle cannot "B" a Wave. They are two distinct objects. Yet the electron is both. (quick reference:
<a href="http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~honors/debrog.html" target="_blank">http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~honors/debrog.html</a> )

So, unless you Atheists want to deny the conclusions of Quantum Mechanics, you have to admit you accept 2=1.

Someone asked for an analogy, here it is. God, the Creator of our space-time continuum (our Universe) is transcendent, beyond our Universe, super-dimensional, super-natural, etc. Thus, His "nature" (in regards to the definition of Theology) is going to reflect that fact. As a cylinder is both a square and a circle, God is Father, Son and Spirit.

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Well, as that would require some radical revisions to our understanding of physical law, I would imagine that such a conclusion would be difficult to support without further experimentation. After all, gravity, surface tension, liquid dynamics, etc. are all relatively well understood. I'd say that Occam's razor might well rule out the naturalistic hypothesis.</strong>
That might be so, but then some people are never- say-die Naturalists/Materialists.

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Sorry, I'm not a physicist. Perhaps you could take this question to the Science & Skepticism forum?

All of that said, I don't see that you've come any closer to explaining why or how "atheists defend 2=1". Maybe a more direct reply and less obfuscation next time?

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See above. The joy is in the journey, not necessarily the goal. I love the two series "The Day The Universe Changed" and "Connections" from James Burke's books. They taught me that the journey to knowledge can be more educational than the knowledge itself.

I had hoped you might see the end from the beginning, and have enjoyed the trip.
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But maybe you can help me with some QM questions about atoms. Take electron orbits for example; given the quanta-ization of electrons (e-), how do they get from one orbit to the next? The explanation I heard is that the orbits are within the uncertainty principle on e-'s location, and thus an e- simply ceases to exist in one orbit and magically appears in the next.

How can that be?

Ta...

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I'm afraid that the explanation you've heard is the usual result when a sophisticated mathematical theory like quantum electrodynamics is translated into layman's terms.

A better "translation" would be that the electron is always surrounded and influenced by the quantized (and thus fluctuating) electromagnetic field. Thus there are no sharply quantized orbits; they always overlap so that the electron can slip from one to another while emitting or absorbing a photon.

The change in energy due to this influence can and has been measured (Lamb shift).

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Well, a friend told me about this site and said I might enjoy it. Might as well jump in and get my feet wet, eh?

Let me give you a shot at explaining the Trinity without resorting to "there are things we simply cannot understand." I've always found this reply to be extremely annoying when given to me by religious folks..... especially since I can usually explain their belief/faith beeter than they.

I'm only going to make the simple explanation here, thus if you think deeply on it there will be a few contradictions as to the early scriptures. These can be explained, but to do so I'd have to delve into the realm of explaining infinity (as far as I've understood it thusfar) and all its quirks and paradoxes.

Hopefully the simple explanation will suffice for now. At the very least give you a rough approximation of the idea of the Trinity.
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Imagine yourself as God. (Not literally, just as a physical representation of God's "being".)

Now, let's give the cells in your body sentience such as ours. In other words I am equating humans with the cells of God's "body".

If you were to communicate with these cells directly, how would you go about doing so? The ideal form of communication is face-to-face; however, you cannot simply shrink yourself to talk to your cells. Obviously the cells, being part of you, would shrink along with you.

Thus you make an exact copy of yourself (Jesus). Exact in every detail, including thought patterns, etc.

Now, given that you are infinite, nothing can exist outside of you. Therefore, the copy must be "born" inside you.

Once it has completed its/your "job" it was meant to do, what to do now? It is an exact copy of you, a God, thus cannot simply dissappear or be destroyed. It cannot exit the body either, being as nothing can exist outside of you.

So then, the copy is sacrificed to the body. It disperses itself throughout the body, becoming part of every cell. Thus it "returns" to the body (God), but still remains at a cellular level as well (Holy Ghost). When you take the individual pieces of the Ghost and look at them all, you see the copy (Jesus).

Hehe... I have a MUCH better understanding of the last part in my head, but can't seem to get it out in a really simple form. Hopefully you can understand what I'm trying to say anyhow.

I'll try and think of a better way to finish the analogy and edit this if I do so. It's VERY late here, so perhaps after a little sleep I'll be able to focus the thoughts more.
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