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id.s · 08-14-2003, 12:26 PM

Remember, I make the rules. I tell the stories. I ask the questions. When you formulate a valid question, then we can go on. Answer the question. Why is the answer gravity and not a greek myth, tragedy?

Stiletto One · 08-14-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by id.s
Remember, I make the rules. I tell the stories. I ask the questions. When you formulate a valid question, then we can go on. Answer the question. Why is the answer gravity and not a greek myth, tragedy?

Because gravity comes earlier in the alphabet, because neither answer choice has any actual relevance to anything and thus the decision must be made arbitrarily.

Answer this question: Why do you have the right to derail discussions and abuse strangers at will?

id.s · 08-14-2003, 01:59 PM

You're wasting my time stiletto. I thought you were wiser than you pretend. This site should be called the CCDB. Comedy Central Discussion Board. The way you people argue is hilarious.; and you aren't even aware of the snowjob that you are endorsing. 300 years of preparation of your participation and perpetuation of whiteness as pure , prurient and perfect; finally all that work is paying off.
There are 7 words I should never use on this site. They are- "What is the opposite of comedy----Gravity. And obviously you can't see the gravity in the situation. Sometimes when I listen to the comics of the world, it scares me how close to the truth these people are and it's not funny. You on the other hand are absorbed in a culture that destroys cultures and was created just for you and you and you.................................with your minds in mind.
Being compared to a joker is about as close to the fool in a Shakespeare play that I've been called. Thanks . Coming from thieves and free riders like you , thats a compliment.
There must be some kind of way out of here, said the joker to the thief................

Stiletto One · 08-14-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by id.s
You're wasting my time stiletto.

And you're wasting everybody else's.

You think I didn't consider (and ignore) the fact that 'gravity' can also mean 'severe'/'serious'-ness?

And quit calling me white, dammit. It's rude and (more important to you, or so you try to sound) incorrect.

catalyst · 08-14-2003, 04:27 PM

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300 years of preparation of your participation and perpetuation of whiteness as pure , prurient and perfect

Please illustrate how I am doing this. While you are at it, please illustrate how the other minorities who have respond to your are doing this as well.

Why would you criticize the way others discuss subjects when all you do is avoid them?

ju'iblex · 08-14-2003, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by id.s
Remember, I make the rules. I tell the stories. I ask the questions. When you formulate a valid question, then we can go on. Answer the question. Why is the answer gravity and not a greek myth, tragedy?

*cough*http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=42034*cough*

anyway, i just got out of bed, so this should prove to be about as decipherable as your typical posts.

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She is white and knows this fight can be dealt with by others. If you guys have any trouble, she'll be back to make sure things return to normal-whiteness.

i would love for you to find some evidence <during my past almost 2 years at II> that i consider "white" as "normal".

In fact, and this should make it somewhat more difficult and fun, try and find some evidence that i believe that "normal" is even a truth of any kind, and that it can even exist. Hint: foucault.

That should take you on a lovely wild-nonexistent-goose chase.

But back to previously...

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Perfect. Since when do you think I looked at your profile- not a chance, but nice try.

because if i click the "who's online" link i can see what all visible users are doing at that very point in time. big sister is watching you.

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Besides I also said you were probably a Lezi so- Partially right.

actually, if you scroll up, you'll see you said that I'm male or a lesbian. that covers approximately 50% of the entire world population, not exactly definitive proof you know anything.

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Besides being right isn�t all that important. your question was immature. Even you could be lying, as most have to hide who they are on this site.

ah, make the data fit the facts, terribly scientific. "being right isn't all that important" eh? I think you'll find it is when you're espousing some bullshit theory and then claiming that everyone is an arsehole because they don't fit it. I think you'll find that your standpoint on this issue was the immature one, not the question i asked; which was information you were previously willing to volunteer previously.

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As for Eminem, Silly white boy going the way of Vanilla Ice; copy artists imitating blacks, thinking they know oppression, who appeal to the simple pathetic white mind. Don't forget, the rap album that has sold the most copies worldwide was Ice Ice Baby- a blue man who cannot sing the whites. Maybe eminem has sold more CD�s, but for 10 years Vanilla Ices� was the top selling rap CD. The Black music industry is minuscule compared to the white Country AND Western, pop, rock dominate the CD buying public. Rap occupies a small segment of the music scene and is only significant because it targets youths, especially young men. Of all races. Most oppressed people are drawn to this music. I like rap, and my napster file of over 2000 downloads has hundreds. Even in Canada, Our native brothers are rapping, and they�re good.

absolutely amazing. Not only is this completely off the topic, but there are so many conflicting statements that I'm not entirely sure you were even compus mentis when writing it. On one hand, you state in the beginning that rap and oppression is almost exclusively a "black" thing. And then you go on to say that it targets young oppressed men of all nationalities. And then, even the native brothers <I assume you're referring to american indians, given your constant emphasis on race> are rapping. Please id.s if you're going to try and formulate an off-topic argument, at least try not to contradict yourself in one paragraph. <well, your entire post is one paragraph, so is that still valid?>

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I put you as a child because you actually support the idea of micro aggressions against women.

a) define "micro aggressions"
b) explain and give quotes to support why i supposedly adhere to these "micro agressions"

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You excuse it as normal while espousing the fact that you don't see anything wrong with it or that you can�t see a connection between race, class and sex.

<snip area where id.s seems to think he is qualified, quite mistakenly, to tell us what we think>

a question i, stiletto one, and catalyst have given you ample opportunities to demonstrate, with no or very inaccurate results. It's your job to prove to us that this correlation exists, not for us to disprove it.

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Conventional first amendment doctrine is beginning to show signs of strain. Outsider groups and women argue that free speech law inadequately protects them against certain types of harm.

I am both a woman and a minority in a number of respects. I have never claimed this. Stop making ludicrous over-generalisations.

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Further, on a theoretical level (Quantum), some scholars are questioning whether free expression can perform the lofty functions of community building and consensus-formation that society assigns it. IOW your attempts to argue through negation are predictable as this is the pattern of thinking we all use- men, objectively, and women who haven't been co-opted into a male sphere (Maggy Thatcher comes to mind- Ju Jube not far behind) subjectively.

argumentum ad verucundium and not even backed up with sources. please demonstrate the legitimacy of this "argument"

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In feminist legal theory, as in the dominant culture, it�s mostly white, straight, and socioeconomically privileged people who claim to speak for all of us, a phenomenon called white solipsism, where theory has confused the condition of one group of women with the condition of all. This gives control of feminist theory to the concerns of white middle class women. Face it you're caught up in your youthful exuberance and are clueless about the thoughts of older thinking feminists who see a pattern of aggression that starts with a catcall and ends with "well, she WANTED it" at the rape trial.

your conclusion is a non-sequitur to the n^th degree.

a) white middle class women are not in charge of feminist theory, if you honestly believe this, then you've missed the entire point of feminism. Please give some reliable sources to back up this claim.

b) I not only never claimed <or ever will claim> to know what other people understand and therefore

c) I don't think you are in any way qualified, to claim to know what others think and render your judgment thus. Especially without any form of external data to back this shit up with.

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And so, you have not given any of us anything to show that your make-believe class/sex/race/thinking correlation even exists and you resort to completely off topic and poorly structured ranting to set up some ridiculous poorly structured straw-men in order to claim to be the victor. Come on id.s I believe that you can honestly do better than this. Stop going tangential on us, and give us some proof that this theory is a truth. We've given you 2 examples and opportunities at least <catalyst and myself> to show it works and you've turned up with nought.

I hope to see something more decipherable and on topic from you in the future.

id.s · 08-14-2003, 05:44 PM

This is the best you can do Jube? cough*http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.....id=42034*cough
I 've been waiting for you to hide behind your freedom of thought exerciser. Last resort of a desperate member of the white geo sphere. I had a great chat with Albert Cipriani before he left( If I repeat what PHILOSOFT said to me about him ) and he told me the same thing -that when the topic gets too deep, philosophical or theoretically then the WHITE calvary comes in. Where are you when YORK appears and spews his nazi rhetoric. All you're doing here is helping him hone his arguments.

2 questions . What makes you think I'm white? what makes you think I'm male? Assumptions? Aren't WE the presumptuous ones. I did what I did quite accurately when I guessed and I did not go to your Personal profile, I also said you were a LEZI which is a polite way to say you re a female. I also have degrees in psychology, law, political science and social work and am well qualified to go way over all your heads. I"m also always right and I never lie. I'm gonna be PM of Canada and then the tap to the states gets shut off. No more wood, no more water and no more maple syrup.

Unlike you, I am aware of the power that men wield. Even a 'Micro' aggression like a leer or a stare can make a woman feel uncomfortable. A sleight or the term "HO" expresses more than the sum of its intent. A colored person outside an elevator, as the door opens asks " Is this going up?" White suits on board turn their eyes up and say "NO ,down" as if the person is too stupid to even figure out or look at the light indicator. Whether that person WAS going down or not is irrelevant as they probably won't get on. That is a Micro aggression. You put her in her proper place . Below you. So I'm right again about your whiteness. In a world where death and war are at the opposite end of the scale,( the Macro), it seems so harmless doesn't it.Whomever can make this connection is on the way to improving the world and making others aware that peace and understanding start at home- in your heart.

If you want references, then I have too many to list. You'd have to read for 3 years before you'd get this.

As for my applying quantum theory against your theoretical use of it, Prove that your theory of quantum mechanics is any more rational and valid than my theories of how the micro and the macro affect all aspects of life. Bark christian, bark. I'll tear you apart like a lion.

Monkeybot IF you're there, I picked you because I believe you're doubly oppressed. You're from the 2nd level of social order and female, which is the kind of double whammy that I required to complete the picture. Notice how stiletto and catalyst don't want to have a discussion, especially in the fashion that they've been taught to say. Outside of their little shell lies fear and insecurity.

catalyst · 08-14-2003, 07:05 PM

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what makes you think I'm male?

Because you have said so in this very thread, perhaps?

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But I do find some things we do as men demeaning to women

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I also said you were a LEZI which is a polite way to say you re a female.

Let us talk a little bit more about generalizations, shall we?

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I also have degrees in psychology, law, political science and social work and am well qualified to go way over all your heads. I"m also always right and I never lie. I'm gonna be PM of Canada and then the tap to the states gets shut off. No more wood, no more water and no more maple syrup.

Somehow, this does not do wonders for your credibility.

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If you want references, then I have too many to list

I want references. Not insults, not avoiding questions posed to you numerous times in this thread, not assertions. Simple, supported facts. You have yet to supply them.

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Notice how stiletto and catalyst don't want to have a discussion, especially in the fashion that they've been taught to say. Outside of their little shell lies fear and insecurity.

Having a discussion requires communication from both parties, and yours is sadly lacking wrt answering questions. How about you go back and answer the numerous ones that have been posed to you instead of asserting, quite incorrectly, that other people do not wish to have a discussion with you.

id.s · 08-14-2003, 08:24 PM

You're always there when I need you. Yeah, how did you know i was native. Yeah, Whitey, your worst nightmare, a edjacated injun, and we're coming back for our land. Thank the great creator that my ancesters didn't agree to sell their land for a pittance when you firstcame here. Now we're gonna SOCK it to ya. We want you to start paying RENT. Oh and all you foreigners, go back home now, you europeans too. Homeland security, indeed. Fighting terrorists since 1492.
Ju'iblex, how come everybody feels obliged to answer for you. Do they think you're not capable of correctly answering for yourself? Maybe they know some things that you don't, as males eh?

catalyst · 08-14-2003, 08:33 PM

Maybe you should answer the same questions numerous people have been asking you instead of simply trolling.

08-14-2003, 12:26 PM	#51
id.s Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: VICTORIA B. C. CANADA Posts: 206	stiletto Remember, I make the rules. I tell the stories. I ask the questions. When you formulate a valid question, then we can go on. Answer the question. Why is the answer gravity and not a greek myth, tragedy?

08-14-2003, 01:59 PM	#53
id.s Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: VICTORIA B. C. CANADA Posts: 206	gravity has more than one meaning You're wasting my time stiletto. I thought you were wiser than you pretend. This site should be called the CCDB. Comedy Central Discussion Board. The way you people argue is hilarious.; and you aren't even aware of the snowjob that you are endorsing. 300 years of preparation of your participation and perpetuation of whiteness as pure , prurient and perfect; finally all that work is paying off. There are 7 words I should never use on this site. They are- "What is the opposite of comedy----Gravity. And obviously you can't see the gravity in the situation. Sometimes when I listen to the comics of the world, it scares me how close to the truth these people are and it's not funny. You on the other hand are absorbed in a culture that destroys cultures and was created just for you and you and you.................................with your minds in mind. Being compared to a joker is about as close to the fool in a Shakespeare play that I've been called. Thanks . Coming from thieves and free riders like you , thats a compliment. There must be some kind of way out of here, said the joker to the thief................

08-14-2003, 05:44 PM	#57
id.s Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: VICTORIA B. C. CANADA Posts: 206	about time This is the best you can do Jube? coughhttp://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.....id=42034cough I 've been waiting for you to hide behind your freedom of thought exerciser. Last resort of a desperate member of the white geo sphere. I had a great chat with Albert Cipriani before he left( If I repeat what PHILOSOFT said to me about him ) and he told me the same thing -that when the topic gets too deep, philosophical or theoretically then the WHITE calvary comes in. Where are you when YORK appears and spews his nazi rhetoric. All you're doing here is helping him hone his arguments. 2 questions . What makes you think I'm white? what makes you think I'm male? Assumptions? Aren't WE the presumptuous ones. I did what I did quite accurately when I guessed and I did not go to your Personal profile, I also said you were a LEZI which is a polite way to say you re a female. I also have degrees in psychology, law, political science and social work and am well qualified to go way over all your heads. I"m also always right and I never lie. I'm gonna be PM of Canada and then the tap to the states gets shut off. No more wood, no more water and no more maple syrup. Unlike you, I am aware of the power that men wield. Even a 'Micro' aggression like a leer or a stare can make a woman feel uncomfortable. A sleight or the term "HO" expresses more than the sum of its intent. A colored person outside an elevator, as the door opens asks " Is this going up?" White suits on board turn their eyes up and say "NO ,down" as if the person is too stupid to even figure out or look at the light indicator. Whether that person WAS going down or not is irrelevant as they probably won't get on. That is a Micro aggression. You put her in her proper place . Below you. So I'm right again about your whiteness. In a world where death and war are at the opposite end of the scale,( the Macro), it seems so harmless doesn't it.Whomever can make this connection is on the way to improving the world and making others aware that peace and understanding start at home- in your heart. If you want references, then I have too many to list. You'd have to read for 3 years before you'd get this. As for my applying quantum theory against your theoretical use of it, Prove that your theory of quantum mechanics is any more rational and valid than my theories of how the micro and the macro affect all aspects of life. Bark christian, bark. I'll tear you apart like a lion. Monkeybot IF you're there, I picked you because I believe you're doubly oppressed. You're from the 2nd level of social order and female, which is the kind of double whammy that I required to complete the picture. Notice how stiletto and catalyst don't want to have a discussion, especially in the fashion that they've been taught to say. Outside of their little shell lies fear and insecurity.

08-14-2003, 08:24 PM	#59
id.s Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: VICTORIA B. C. CANADA Posts: 206	farren You're always there when I need you. Yeah, how did you know i was native. Yeah, Whitey, your worst nightmare, a edjacated injun, and we're coming back for our land. Thank the great creator that my ancesters didn't agree to sell their land for a pittance when you firstcame here. Now we're gonna SOCK it to ya. We want you to start paying RENT. Oh and all you foreigners, go back home now, you europeans too. Homeland security, indeed. Fighting terrorists since 1492. Ju'iblex, how come everybody feels obliged to answer for you. Do they think you're not capable of correctly answering for yourself? Maybe they know some things that you don't, as males eh?

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catalyst Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 6,158	Maybe you should answer the same questions numerous people have been asking you instead of simply trolling.

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