wade-w

How about the sack of Constantinople during the crusades. An eastern orthodox city, sacked by a catholic army. The huegenots in France come to mind. And these examples are just against fellow xtian sects. Consider what the conquistadors (with their jesuits in company) did in the new world. That's just off the top of my head.

Catholics are no different from any other version of xianity when it comes to persecuting anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do, Amos.

Amos

Well Wade, that sounds all good and well but I fail to see evidence of it today. In fact, I always thought that the Catholic church can "be al things to all people" and we see this in Zen Catholicism and Voodoo Catholicism to give you two examples of this. I mean, is there anything more opposite to fundamentalist Christianity then Voodoo or Zen Buddhism? Catholicism seems to have that ability to adapt and incorporate without losing its own message of peace on earth. But you are probably right because history wouldn't have it any other way and I' am not interested in changing that. My point is: I don't see the evidence of it.

kctan

If the people have no guns, then they can't kill each other with guns right ? They could still kill each other with knives etc... but it wouldn't be guns right ? Remember, the important thing here is the gun, not the people. Guns are made for people to kill people or kill other living things.

Are you sure xianity didn't do such things ? It certainly teaches alot of things. Especially those I'm the one & only god & thou should not bow down before other thingies.

Never study in kindargarten before, I started off with primary school education.

Are you so sure of what they are taught regarding their new found religion ?

Not quite.

How can it be a non sequiter (both cases) ? Remember it's xians doing things now, no xianity, no xians & no such things will happen. The important thing here is xian. If it's something else then it would be something else & not xian. Xianity created these problems, so it's xianity's fault. Even if the followers acted out of xianity's teachings, they are still doing it out of their understanding of what a xian should do. In the end, it still goes back to xianity.

Simple as in completely logical. ?

Being clever is not my forte but being logical is.

Remember, we are talking about xianity, no xianity means no xianity caused problems. It's very simple & damn freaking logical.

No humans means no guns, no guns means no humans killing each other with guns. If you want to have humans, you still can have no guns, they can still kill each other but they won't be using guns. Which is what we are interested in - stopping guns from killing people.



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