Orpheous99

Originally posted by You Betcha:

That is your conjecture. The earth could hold all of those creatures at one time.

Wrong on both counts.


I have heard of them, however they are apes and not humans. Apes are apes, and humans are humans. There are no half apes, half humans.


He got one thing incorrect. We didn't evolve from apes, we are a form of primate and share a common ancestor with all of the other apes. And were did this half and half nonsense come from? I see that not only do you know absolutely nothing about evolution, but nothing at all about genetics as well.

An animal that has never changed fits evolution perfectly? That's a new one. What was the transitional animal before the turtle?

Again you are showing your great ignorance. It is not "never" changed, but changed very little. When an organism fits it environment perfectly it has no pressure on it to readapt to it. As environments go the ocean is quite steady as compared to the land. The mean pressure was the food chain. Sharks haven't changed all that much in the last 300 million years or so because they are perfectly suited to their environment as the top of the food chain. Evolution is not a steady process. It can have periods of steady change or periods of no changed at all. Many organisms turn out to be deadends and others successes.

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Jack the Bodiless

...Bah. You're right, of course: humans ARE apes, and I was taking a shortcut to explain the existence of part-human, part-earlier-apes.

But maybe it will help illustrate the point for YouBetcha.

Even creationists accept that all breeds of dogs are descended from a common ancestor. So, according to creationist logic, a "dog" gave birth to a "chihuahua" at some point. And another "dog" gave birth to an "Irish Wolfhound".

YouBetcha, here are some challenges for you:

1. When and where was the first Chihuahua or Irish Wolfhound born?

2. Show me a dog/Chihuahua transitional form, a dog/Wolfhound transitional form, or a Chihuahua/Wolfhound transitional form.

Ponder this, and learn wisdom.

You Betcha

Of course they have ancestors. The ancestor's are turtles.

Do you realize what the percentage is and the make up of the different animals that is the fossil record?

The earth was not the same as it is now. Now it is 70% underwater with less habitable terrain. Before, there was much more habitable area and much more plant life. The evidence is the amount of coal and oil.

The earth could easily support much more life than it does currently.

This is the prediction of a world wide flood.

I would place each one of them as either human or ape based on the facts and not conjecture or a preconcieved notion that evolution is true.

CodeMason

Would you say your God has meaning and specific complexity? Therefore would be not have to come from an intelligent being himself? And so on, for infinity?

You Betcha

Yes, all dogs came from a dog.

Not much of a challenge.

Let me guess, within the last 200 years in a breeders kennel?

Your 'transitional form' is a misnomer in this instance. A transitional form is that which is between a dog and another animal, not between a dog and a dog. A dog will never produce something that is not a dog.

CodeMason

Creationists, we have discovered the elusive "missing link". In an incredible irony, it is the creationists! Or, homo stupidus-extremus. These primitive creatures still think they still live in the trees in the jungles. Their minds are wired for living day-by-day... they simply can't comprehend large time scales. That's why they believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, and simply can't understand macroevolution (which they cannot deny anymore, so they slyly and underhandly give it the alternate title "adaptation") over larger amounts of time can create things of greater and greater complexity. His post proves, conclusively, the existence of homo stupidus-extremus! I mean, what HUMAN could be so incredibly ignorant?

You Betcha

I couldn't say. God is not of this world, he created it. God is not restrained to his own creation of time, space and matter.

CodeMason

Can you define a dog without saying "a dog is a dog"?

Jack the Bodiless

OK, now we play "guess the mental deficiency". Here goes:

Creationists claim that turtles were created "fully-formed". They use this as an argument, apparetly believing that there are no fossil ancestors of turtles.

YouBetcha is a creationist. He has read about the creationist claim regarding turtles, and believes that there are no fossil ancestors of turtles.

But there ARE fossil ancestors of turtles, and examples are given.

The reply: "Of course they have ancestors. The ancestor's are turtles".

...So where did your mind go off the rails, YB?

Has your brainwashing made you incapable of seeing the inforamtion about fossil ancestors of turtles?

Has your brainwashing made you incapable of reading the inforamtion about fossil ancestors of turtles?

Has your brainwashing made you incapable of comprehending the inforamtion about fossil ancestors of turtles?

Has your brainwashing made you incapable of remembering that you have just read information about fossil ancestors of turtles?

Or are you perfectly aware that there are fossil ancestors of turtles, but you like pretending to be ignorant?

CodeMason

But he is constrained by logic. Otherwise God would be nothing and everything, good and evil, Jack and Jill.

I'm sure you'll agree that an intelligent being posesses meaning and complexity by your ideaology. God, being the "supreme intelligent being" should exceptionaly fit the case.

So where do you see a fault? You can't just plead ignorance. If your axiom is true - God must be caused by another God, and on for infinity.

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