kwigibo

is this guy a troll? that's the only way to explain it, no reasonable person would post what he has posted.

sentinel00

Being a troll implies a post-and-run style. This guy sticks around.

SingleDad

No, I don't think he's a <a href="http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html" target="_blank">Troller</a>, more like a cross between <a href="http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame16.html" target="_blank">Profundus Maximus</a>, <a href="http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame63.html" target="_blank">Ferrous Cranus</a> and <a href="http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame39.html" target="_blank">Troglodyte</a>.

kwigibo

but do you think he is serious?

SingleDad

"The depths of human stupidity are as yet unplumbed." -- Pogo

MadMordigan

Is it possible to use sexuality as a weapon to seduce the unaware by domination conferred by power and wealth?

I highly doubt it.

Is the love object of the dominant sex partner reduced in status or damaged in some fundamental way by this more aggressive partner?

Again I highly doubt it.

Shall we introduce the notion of active and passive partner?

Whatever for? Unless you can demonstrate that this notion has any relevance to our consideration of morality, it is a non-sequiter.

I suspect bestiality and sodomy will destabilize a human personality in time.

What does this mean? What effects will it have? How will it cause those effects? Why should we consider those effects as more morally relevant than a person's preference in flavour of ice cream?

I do not suspect that it produces a functioning healthy mental outlook that fosters group survival under extreme stress

You are being unclear here. What do you mean y 'extreme stress'. How relevant are those extreme stresses to the common, everyday experience of most people?

(why we have moral and religious codes in the first place; if they did not confer survival value, these codes would have become extinct centuries ago).

Moral and religious codes are not developed and inculculated exclusively for their survival value. In some cases they are developed for increases in comfort, in some cases for increases in aesthetics, and in some cases for the cynical control of some members of a group by others. It is entirely unclear in which category the taboos against anal and inter-species sex fall.

This does not mean that I wish to be judgmental here. I frankly don't give a damn what another person does sexually in bed with his mate/s. However, I do not wish to live in a society totally depraved by excessive attention to sexual activities that promotes psychological insecurity or underminds the integrity of the personality!

First, the entire concept of a 'sexual activity that undermines the integrity of the personality' has not been established. Is such an activity actual, or is it a figment of someone's imagination?

Second, it would have to be demonstrated that an sexual activity, in an of iself, were to meet this criteria before that activity could be considered immoral.

You'll excuse me, but I do not understand your assertions. Where I do understand them, I disagree with you. I'm not about to engage in mind-reading to illuminate your post, and neither am I about to make your arguements for you.

Perhaps you ought to spend less time try to impress us with your admittedly large vocabulary, and more time trying to actually communicate.

Lastly, documented literature! It is vast. May I quote German, French and Latin sources to this group? Or must I restrict myself to modern English?

Take a wild guess. Here's a hint, in what language is this forum written?

Ted Hoffman

Singledad,
We have quite a number of people who derive sexual pleasure from faeces/ excrement (I believe its called scatology - they either have sex with excrement or they eat shit to derive sexual pleasure)
I know this is digressing from the topic of this post, but let me hear your opinion - do you consider such people perverted?
Would you say that eating excrement for sexual pleasure us universally abhorred?
Just a question.

tronvillain

Since SingleDad probably won't be back until tommorow:

Given the definitions of <a href="http://dictionary.msn.com/find/entry.asp?search=perverted" target="_blank">perverted</a> and <a href="http://dictionary.msn.com/find/entry.asp?search=abhor/" target="_blank">abhor</a>, I probably technically consider them perverted and abhor the practice. However, I don't consider it immoral - if someone doesn't care about the taste, smell, wastes, or bacteria, who am I to say they shouldn't do it?

[ December 15, 2001: Message edited by: tronvillain ]</p>

Ted Hoffman

What do you think makes you find scatology perverted and yet the people who indulge themselves in eating this for sexual pleasure do not find their acts perverted? There must be a reason - bacteria aside. That makes "us" (or you - to be more specific) find eating shit perverted.
What we are discussing here is the means people choose to satisfy their sexual desires.
Is it natural (let me not use the word abnormal at this juncture) to insert your penis into someones anus for the purposes of satisfying sexual desire?. When I say "natural", what I mean is, the anus does not seem to be "designed" (we are talking evolution here) to be used as a sex organ. (I mean glands/ organs for sexual pleasure do not seem to be localised around the anus) Is it that all we want is a hot orifice - or is it the case that what "we" want is an anus? Why does a sodomizer(is there such a word?) particularly like the anus? Does the anus-lover love the anus for the same reason as someone eating excrement for sexual reasons?
Please feel free to speculate. I dont need evidence, I do not need statistics. Just tell me what you think. Please.
I also think this post started off on a wrong foot. We should have started by coming up with a working definition of the word "moral" first.

Ted Hoffman

You are someone who is apalled by their actions. You should speak not as a moral authority, but as someone who finds their actions perverted.
There is freedom of speech, and there is freedom of sexual pleasure.
If people choose to satisfy their sexual desires in ways that upset tronvillain, then something needs to be done. (I think we get upset when we "see"/ know of acts that we consider horrible). Dont you think so? I mean something must be wrong somewhere...
You just need to tell us why you find their actions perverted and we may just answer the question at the beginning of this post. (with or without a definition for the word moral).