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beejay · 01-23-2003, 01:02 PM

Oh, shit.

Business Wire news about 10C at Mercer County KY

I don't know if that link will be available forever.

The Federal Court judge (Karl Forester) who was hearing the ACLU challenge to a 10C monument in Mercer County granted the ACLJ motion for summary judgement, dismissing the suit.

I assume the ACLU will appeal.

Mageth · 01-23-2003, 01:11 PM

The American Center for Law and Justice, an international public interest law firm...

Aargh. According to the ACLJ's mission statement:

"The American Center for Law and Justice is a public interest law firm committed to insuring the ongoing viability of constitutional freedoms in accordance with principles of justice as outlined in Scripture.
...
The American Center has a national network of attorneys who are committed to the defense of Judeo-Christian values."

They're sure as hell not acting in my interests, nor of the interests of a sizable portion of the U.S. population.

Melkor · 01-23-2003, 01:14 PM

They should really change their name to reflect more accurately what they really are... say to ACLJALAYC.

"American Center for Law and Justice As Long As You're Christian"

Stephen Maturin · 01-23-2003, 01:17 PM

Here's Jay $ekulow's write-up on the ruling. From the article:

Quote:

In the opinion, Judge Forester said �the display clearly has a legitimate secular purpose of, including but not limited to, acknowledging the historical influence of the Commandments on the development of this country�s laws, and the record is devoid of any evidence indicating a religious purpose by the government.� The court also concluded �the primary purpose or effect of the display is not to endorse religion as a matter of law.�

:banghead:

ELECTROGOD · 01-23-2003, 01:23 PM

Sooooo...anybody can put up a "monument" on government property as long as it has some historical reference/meaning, they pay for it and arrange to do it in the middle of the night?
Hell, what are we waiting for?

Mageth · 01-23-2003, 01:29 PM

Sooooo...anybody can put up a "monument" on government property as long as it has some historical reference/meaning, they pay for it and arrange to do it in the middle of the night?

Not without gettin' sued by the good 'ole ACLJ watching out for the public interest, if the monument didn't express Judeo-Christian values.

Psycho Economist · 01-23-2003, 01:32 PM

So, signs that say first and foremost "You shall have no gods but me," don't have a religious meaning... as long as James D. Kennedy didn't pay for them?

The Naked Mage · 01-23-2003, 02:16 PM

Well, I figure turnabout is fair play. Does anyone know of a Bible verse that condones setting religious monuments on fire and throwing them through people's windows?

Philosoft · 01-23-2003, 02:27 PM

Summary judgement, my ass. It is certainly not obvious that the state had no religious purpose for displaying a purely religious text.

My prediction: reversed and remanded

RufusAtticus · 01-23-2003, 06:50 PM

Not a big deal, there are about four other cases just like this one going on in KY. One of them is going to set the obvious precident that despite the false witnessing of "christians," the 10c's is not a secular document and they are not being displayed for secular reasons.

01-23-2003, 01:02 PM	#1
beejay Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Richmond IN Posts: 375	Mercer County KY 10C monument - the ACLJ wins at Federal Court level Oh, shit. Business Wire news about 10C at Mercer County KY I don't know if that link will be available forever. The Federal Court judge (Karl Forester) who was hearing the ACLU challenge to a 10C monument in Mercer County granted the ACLJ motion for summary judgement, dismissing the suit. I assume the ACLU will appeal.

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01-23-2003, 01:11 PM	#2
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	The American Center for Law and Justice, an international public interest law firm... Aargh. According to the ACLJ's mission statement: "The American Center for Law and Justice is a public interest law firm committed to insuring the ongoing viability of constitutional freedoms in accordance with principles of justice as outlined in Scripture. ... The American Center has a national network of attorneys who are committed to the defense of Judeo-Christian values." They're sure as hell not acting in my interests, nor of the interests of a sizable portion of the U.S. population.

01-23-2003, 01:14 PM	#3
Melkor Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Void Posts: 396	They should really change their name to reflect more accurately what they really are... say to ACLJALAYC. "American Center for Law and Justice As Long As You're Christian"

01-23-2003, 01:23 PM	#5
ELECTROGOD Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: GR, MI USA Posts: 4,009	Sooooo...anybody can put up a "monument" on government property as long as it has some historical reference/meaning, they pay for it and arrange to do it in the middle of the night? Hell, what are we waiting for?

01-23-2003, 01:29 PM	#6
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Sooooo...anybody can put up a "monument" on government property as long as it has some historical reference/meaning, they pay for it and arrange to do it in the middle of the night? Not without gettin' sued by the good 'ole ACLJ watching out for the public interest, if the monument didn't express Judeo-Christian values.

01-23-2003, 01:32 PM	#7
Psycho Economist Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 854	So, signs that say first and foremost "You shall have no gods but me," don't have a religious meaning... as long as James D. Kennedy didn't pay for them?

01-23-2003, 02:16 PM	#8
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	Well, I figure turnabout is fair play. Does anyone know of a Bible verse that condones setting religious monuments on fire and throwing them through people's windows?

01-23-2003, 02:27 PM	#9
Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	Summary judgement, my ass. It is certainly not obvious that the state had no religious purpose for displaying a purely religious text. My prediction: reversed and remanded

01-23-2003, 06:50 PM	#10
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Not a big deal, there are about four other cases just like this one going on in KY. One of them is going to set the obvious precident that despite the false witnessing of "christians," the 10c's is not a secular document and they are not being displayed for secular reasons.

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